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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by EricL on Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:43 pm

A barista at my favorite local coffee shop (before the owner sold out and it became a wine bar, and the Synesso & Mazzer's are now being used with canned Illy) used to store his tamper on the Synesso cup warmer, the idea being it wouldn't shock the grounds which were warmed coming out of the grinder. This was kid serious about his espresso. He would often dump out a dopio he pulled for me as wouldn't be just right, and did weekend espresso bar crawls checking out the local coffee scene.

One, it's a convenient place to store for me, but as to the effect on the coffee..? I know I don't have the palate to taste the difference. What do you think - help, hurt, or hyperbole?
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by TimEggers on Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:48 pm

Yeah the coffee sitting in the hot portafilter basket is going to care about the warm tamper :roll:

/sarcasm :D
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by Beezer on Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:19 pm

That sounds a bit unnecessary to me. I can't imagine that the amount of heat or cold conducted from the tamper to the grounds would be enough to "shock" the grounds and affect their flavor. Maybe if you kept your tamper in the freezer, it would be cold enough to make a difference, but even then I doubt it would change the flavor in the cup.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by shadowfax on Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:07 pm

.... not to shock the coffee? Seems like an odd thought to me, given the miniscule amount of contact a tamper makes with coffee, even when heavily compressing it. Heat transfer is primarily a product of time and thermal conductivity. The time is minimal, and coffee is most certainly not a conductor (indeed, with the amount of air in a dry puck, it's quite the insulator). In any case, I believe that coffee exits the grinder chute at usually no more than 80-90F, maybe somewhat more than this in an extremely busy cafe. Assuming it's around 70F at room temperature, I'm confused why you would ever thing that a tamper at that temperature would affect the puck more than one that's been sitting on the cup warmer. I insulated my Elektra's boiler, and it's still around 135-140F on the top of the cup warmer (checked with a Fluke :D) I wouldn't be surprised if a Synesso/LM with a steam boiler rocking 1.5 bar, not insulated, is even hotter than that up top. I don't know why one would expect such a hot temperature piston would be less shocking to the coffee than a room temperature one, not to mention 2-5 seconds after you tamp, when the water is hit with ~200F water at 9 bars of pressure.

Anyway, that's entirely more thought than the issue likely deserves. This is most certainly a superstition.

Which is not to offend or berate your barista friend, Eric. I am sure he makes a fine cup of coffee. Attention to detail is a plus, but even the best of us get caught up doing strange, ultimately pointless things with the idea that they improve results in the cup.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by HB on Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:46 pm

Get two tampers, one prewarmed, another cold. Ask your barista friend to prep two portafilters and hand them to an assistant who locks them into the groups without saying which is which. Now ask said barista friend to identify the espresso pulled using the prewarmed/cold tamper.

I'm not being facetious; a blind taste test quickly settles the difference between useful tips and odd superstition.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by cannonfodder on Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:14 am

My money is on odd superstition.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by portamento on Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:40 pm

When will someone start touting the health benefits of magnetic tampers?
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by shadowfax on Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:54 pm

I've been digging my lead tamper with asbestos handle, actually.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by jk0592 on Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:18 pm

Not to mention that, if you are not careful, some coffee debris can fall into the warming holes on top of the machine, creating havoc on the internals.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by shadowfax on Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:24 pm

OK, so I realize that a little coffee grinds falling through the ventilation holes on the cup warmer can make the machine dirty, but 'havoc?' Really? That seems a tad dramatic to me.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by EricL on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:33 pm

I think it's just like a sweatshirt out of the dryer. Happiness is a warm tamper.

Plus Silvia is like an old Volvo. They just keep going. Not going to let a few coffee grounds get in the way.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by LeoZ on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:32 pm

even if the beans came out of the grinder at 100+degF, they are so small and light, they would to room temp almost immediately.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by HB on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:59 pm

Exactly! Imagine how "shocked" these already traumatized grounds will be by that sudden chill! :lol:
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by EricL on Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:58 am

Who knows, those little grounds could experience a 'shrinkage factor'. Keep them warm and you have big manly grounds, ready to give up their soluble compounds to the first drop of hot water that comes along.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by zin1953 on Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:27 am

portamento wrote:When will someone start touting the health benefits of magnetic tampers?

I'm having one made from a quartz crystal . . .
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by EricL on Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:03 pm

Now there's a way to supplement your income during the recession. Marketing tibetan wonder crystal tamper handles. Guaranteed to relieve wrist pain from over tamping. Now you just have to put together the infomercial. Maybe Vince from 'Sham-Wow!' is available.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by Lockman on Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:37 am

EricL wrote:Who knows, those little grounds could experience a 'shrinkage factor'. Keep them warm and you have big manly grounds, ready to give up their soluble compounds to the first drop of hot water that comes along.


This sounds a bit XXX rated to me. Kinda like swimming in a cold creek vs sitting on a radiator before the girlfriend comes over... :mrgreen:
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by Michal on Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:40 am

Would you like to test that for us? :lol:

I would guess it wouldn't make that much of a difference because cup warmers get to be around 130 and your room is around 75 and the grinder heats the beans up some as well. But I wouldn't be willing to bet on it.
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by Lockman on Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:52 am

How about having your very own "tamp" girl? Or a robot? Or a "tamp" girl robot with a built in "cup" warmer? Why stop there?

Wait, wait, I got it. Voodoo tampers! Chicken head top, tempered in blood. Rumored at giving abilities to pick winning stocks in volatile times! $500 each. Gold ferrel $900 each. First return trip to witch doctor for blessings free. Also rumored to excite the opposite sex increase crema delivery! :wink:
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Link to "More Tamper Minutia - store on the cup warmer?"by Bluecold on Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:15 am

Who here has ever tamped with a wet tamper?
I have, this morning (spilled a bit when refilling the La Peppina). It channeled badly (no naked pf, but the flow was much faster and it didn't taste as nice). Storing the tamper on the cupwarmer keeps it dry.
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