by Jasonian on Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:26 am Dan Streetman wrote:Jason,
I really did not want to have to respond to this, but it has grown tiresome. You say that you want to build a coffee community, but then you do things like this. I could forgive the assumption that my espresso would pull atrociously uneven with no distribution, even in the face of Nicolas witnessing our results and reporting the opposite. However, when you try to accuse me, and my coworkers of being disrespectful to the coffee you cross the line.
Whether you want to believe it or not I have a great deal of respect, and passion for coffee. Your attempts to take a moral high-ground with rhetoric are unnecessary and unproductive. If you want to treat using a taste test barometer as the coffee equivalent to moral relativity then be my guest. I would however appreciate it if you refrained from making naive Kantian assumptions. How many grinders, and espresso machines have you tested redistribution vs no redistribution on? As Mike stated before we did not rush to conclusions about our change in espresso preparation. I also do not condemn or discourage the use of redistribution for preparing espresso. I encourage people to try different methods and see what works best for them. I was also very skeptical of the Anfim at first because of what I presume you would call doughnut extractions (extraction around edge with no flow in the middle) but within a few days, I had adjusted to the difference and was getting even flows again. Although I think you should at least recognize you are not the arbiter of coffee morality. If you are, then it would be greatly appreciated if you could put into print the commandments of coffee honesty so that we may all come into accordance.
I also find it rather amusing that you only weighed in on this thread after we had been mentioned and decided only to comment in our direction, since the thread was started by Marshall out of observation at the WRBC. He noted that all of the top 3 did not redistribute the coffee with their hands after dosing. I could also note that the two past WBC champs, Stephen Morissey, and James Hoffman also did not redistribute their coffee. Not to mention Chris Baca, Kyle Glanville, Pete Licata, and Drew Catlin from last year's USBC finals. Are they all also disrespectful to the coffee?
Now that I responded to how your post came across I will address what I hope you were trying to say;
Jason,
thanks for sharing your experiences with naked extractions and no redistribution. We too have done some experiments with this and have had different results. However if I was noticing that we were having uneven extractions I would have to agree with you that this is probably not the best method for preparing espresso. While on occasion one may get lucky and have an unevenly extracted shot that tastes good, my assumption would be this is rather unreliable and that most shots prepared in this way would not taste good.
to the rest of everyone reading this thread I apologize.
Whoa, chill, Dan. I think you misunderstood something.
This should have been a PM.
And for the record, I only chimed into this thread because I had a referral hit from it, and I tend to check them. I have a lot going on, and I just don't check every coffee site as often as I used to.
And I didn't reply again until today because.. I had forgotten about it, but had another referral hit, so here I am.
I never intended to imply that you (or anyone, for that matter) didn't have respect for coffee. I expressed my own view, and if I seemed to pass judgment on someone else, I apologize, for this is not my intention. My intention was to offer a secondary opinion, and to allow anyone curious to decide for themselves. If it works, it works. I'm theorizing, here. Not accusing.
[edit: Thank you for addressing what I was trying to say in that last part. No-one is out to get you!]
