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Postby misterdoggy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:46 am

I was having troubles, second shots not the same as the first, spritzing, spitting with naked portafilters, trying to find the right grind, right tamping everything was so close, but 'no cigar'

I had just gotten Rao's Book and was reading about preinfusion and its importance. I actually hadn't really figured out how to use the preinfusion on my Domobar manual.

I went back to the machine and realised that you needed to pull lightly on the lever, not enough to make the pump come on, just enough to let some steam wet the grounds. This was hard to measure while a 'full' portafilter, but was easy to see without any portafilter in place.

Well, to cut to the chase, I used the preinfusion for 3-5 seconds or so, and after every pull is identical and perfect and perfect tiger-stripping with the naked portafilter. No spritzing, no spitting, 25 second shot, tiger strip, everything you could want.

I am there ...... ZEN :)
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Postby HB on Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:02 am

misterdoggy wrote:I went back to the machine and realised that you needed to pull lightly on the lever, not enough to make the pump come on, just enough to let some steam wet the grounds. This was hard to measure while a 'full' portafilter, but was easy to see without any portafilter in place.

For those who are wondering what Bruce is talking about, see Is there a purpose for the E61 middle brew lever position? At the mid-point, the upper valve opens and the brew chamber gets a spritz of water (reservoir models) or is open to line pressure (plumbed-in models). For the former case, I refer to it as prewetting since there's no pressure and to avoid confusion with the E61's built-in preinfusion.

I've tried prewetting the puck on reservoir types of E61 espresso machines and really didn't notice any difference. With the plumbed-in models, it pressurized the brew chamber to line pressure, extending the E61's inherent preinfusion by a few seconds. That did seem to increase the margin of error.

My bet is that you'll discover more "secrets" over the next month or two, many of which may properly be attributed to your mastering the basics. If you haven't done so already, read Dave's Buyer's Guide to the Vibiemme Domobar Super and the associated review thread. He covers all the ins-and-outs. The Vibiemme shouldn't require any extraordinary efforts on your part; we both found it very forgiving of minor errors in barista technique (an 8.0 for its "morning after" score).
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Postby malachi on Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:30 am

What's your pump running at (BAR)?
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Postby misterdoggy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:20 pm

What's your pump running at (BAR)?


Chris,

I need to pay attention but I think it was 11 does that sound right ?
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Postby HB on Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:05 pm

11 bar is a common factory setting for ESE pod espresso machines. Something closer to 9 bar is highly recommended. Quite surprisingly, I find this is not specifically called out in the review. Oops. :oops:
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Postby misterdoggy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:11 pm

HB wrote:11 bar is a common factory setting for ESE pod espresso machines. Something closer to 9 bar is highly recommended. Quite surprisingly, I find this is not specifically called out in the review. Oops. :oops:


So I need to pay attention to what it is doing.

Does this mean at 11 the pressure is too high and forcing the water thru too fast. ....

corrected: I see where the adjustment screw is for brew pressure. If its not 9 to 9 1/2 bar I should adjust it so that it is. Are there other factors that can push the pressure higher such as too much compacting of grains, or too fine grains etc...

but first let me check it on normal operation to see if I even need to adjust
thanks for this important heads up
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Postby misterdoggy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:43 pm

Well I just ran the brew cycle with a double basket, tamped at 30lb (espro) preinfusion waited a minute then brewed and the bar meter went to 12 bars during most of the brew cycle.


Dan,

So 12 Bars it is.

Am I to understand that it is too much and I have to adjust down to 9 ??

How can the factory set it so different than what you are suggesting ?? Hmmm

Please I need to get this right before fooling with it thanks
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Postby malachi on Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:45 pm

This would explain not only some of your problems but why you're seeing improvement through manual preinfusion.

Suggest reducing down to something between 8.5 and 9.5 BAR.
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Postby HB on Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:59 pm

Search on 'Vibratory pumps' and 'OPV' in the FAQs and Favorites, you will find all the information you need.
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Postby misterdoggy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:18 pm

I read the manual I that I think was written by Randy on LaVibiemme and I tried running the blind portafilter on the machine for 20 seconds to see where the true brewing pressure was and it went to 13 and stayed.

With a normal brew in the basket it went to 12 so something is wrong

I read in the manual there is a screw you can turn to dial down the brew pressure and you do it while the blind filter is on to get the reading moving it in small increments

I guess I'm not there just yet :)
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