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Postby cannonfodder on Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:29 pm

Vibe pumps run about 0.5 to 1 bar high when using a blind portafilter. On the DomobarSuper it is a half bar. Take the shell off, put the blank basket in the portafilter, turn the power onto the first notch (power but no heat) and turn on the pump. Turn the OPV down until you are getting 9 bar on the gauge. Dont run the vibe pump too long, 60 seconds or so. Once it is set, check the pressure again 2 or 3 times to make sure it does not drift, then put the shell back on and heat it up. That should get you between 8.5 and 9 bar on the brew pressure. My test machine was already set dead on right from VBM.
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Postby cannonfodder on Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:33 pm

From the Bench review...

The OPV (Over Pressure Valve) is located in rear of the machine. For those of you new to the espresso machine world, the OPV controls brew pressure by venting excess pressure from the pump and returning the water back to the water reservoir. The Vibiemme has one of the heaviest OPV's I have seen. Once the outer shell is removed, you can access the adjusting screw through an opening under the water reservoir. The angle is a bit awkward but still usable. It would be easier to access if the opening was cut a half inch lower. To adjust the OPV, turn the screw counterclockwise to lower and clockwise to increase.

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Postby misterdoggy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:43 pm

Dave,

Thanks so much. I have jusst about got it set. Working on it while we speak.

The only difference is in "your" picture the screw is pretty far in. On my maching the screw is actually backed out a bit to get it down. Does that matter ?
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Postby misterdoggy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:00 pm

I got it set at 9 spot on.

When it was 13 blind filter it was 12 at brewing

So now this will change from probably 9 bling to 8.5 brewing

This probably means all my work to this point has to be redone. Grinds will have to be set differently for a different brew pressure.

Otherwise I should be able to tackle the shots easier with less pressure (hopefully)
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Postby cafeIKE on Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:04 pm

I'd aim for 9.25 to 9.75. IMO 9 is just a tad low. It's just personal pref.

Once you're done, mark the OPV position with a felt pen so you can return should you ever need to R&R the OPV. They sometimes have a tendency to start squealing after a few months.
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Postby misterdoggy on Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:26 pm

cafeIKE wrote:I'd aim for 9.25 to 9.75. IMO 9 is just a tad low. It's just personal pref.

Ike

corrected

I set it to 9.8 (blind) but it drops to 8.8 when I brew (cold). which one is true (blind or brew)
and in the manual it says the gauge usually er's to a higher number

I will have to grind finer to make this work, but everything will really fall in to place now

If I was close with 12-13 bar (in my mind huh) then with 9 bar it should be heaven

thanks to everyone on the forum so much muchas gracias, molto grazie, merci mille fois !!

PS I wonder if the factory could set the pressure to 12-13 in error, then it is possible that other things have been set wrong like the temperature needs checking too ?

Since the adjustment on the brewing pressure I hear the heating element clicking on a lot could be my imagination and paranoia
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Postby cafeIKE on Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:10 pm

9.8 on the gauge while brewing would be my choice.

It's not set up 'wrong' per se, but deliberately :
cafeIKE wrote:The pressure is set Hi to avoid "My machine doesn't work" tech calls.
At 11 bar, with commercial coffee or sub any grinder we'd be caught dead with, you'll always get something in the cup.

It's kind of like buying a new target pistol. Those that know what they're doing will sight it in.
Those that don't can't hit the broad side of a barn unless they're standing on the latch.
...from Brew pressure and its effects on espresson.


On a 110v machine in SoCal, normal duty cycle is about 10 in 150 : click on for 10s, click off for 140s, click on for 10s, click off for 140s.
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Postby misterdoggy on Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:19 am

On a 110v machine in SoCal, normal duty cycle is about 10 in 150 : click on for 10s, click off for 140s, click on for 10s, click off for 140s.


I'm not following the jargon ? 10 in 150 or off 10s 140s ?????

When using less pressure lets say 9.8 brew, does that mean the grains need to be finer ? I noticed the grind that worked well at 12 gushed thru a 10 ?? I would have thought it would be the opposite since less pressure is pushing thru, but it has been the opposite ?? Its all very curious
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Postby cafeIKE on Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:34 am

More pressure compacts the puck more, ergo less flow.

The light for the heater is on for 10s
The light for the heater is off for 140s
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The total time from on to on is 150s

Duty cycle is 10 in 150
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Postby misterdoggy on Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:14 pm

Everything is different with a 9.8 Brew pressure than it was with the 12 brew pressure

I have to apply everything I have learned to this point with a fresh view

The taste is a bit different too. I'm getting there still. Will I ever arrive ?
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