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How do I recognize channeling?

Postby cnhoff on Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:26 pm

Hi,

since i bought my Mazzer Mini, i have a little bit of difficulty judging shot quality (maybe channeling)...

I use 18g of coffee for a double, grind, distribute and tamp like always, but what happens is, the shot starts very slow (dripping) after about 10 sec (with my old grinder it was a little bit earlier) but after a few seconds speeds up considerably. The colour changes from darker to lighter and back , but i fear not like tigerstriping, more like a second this, a second that.

The shot actually tastes good, but i don't have a naked portafilter, so i cannot really judge (have seen a video of a shot channeling only on one side - that made me think).

I also don't see the point where the shot turns "glassy" (->blonde) anymore, maybe i am grinding too fine. It is more like half of the shot is too light.

I would make a video, but i find it hard to judge on any so-so quality online video i have seen...

How could i find out more without buying a naked portafilter?
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Postby cannonfodder on Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:51 pm

Very fresh beans will do that as well. They start good then go gusher. The crema will go flat very fast. If you are channeling, you will typically get a bitter acrid taste in the cup. I had a Millennium for quite some time, 18 grams is quite a bit in the stock double basket. You could try letting your beans rest another day or two or cut your dose down a gram or two, tighten the grind a little and see what happens. Without a bottomless portafilter it is hard to say. You will eventually learn what a channeled shot tastes like, along with a young bean, old bean and under extracted and over. Channeling is often similar to a over and under extracted cup. Light body with a bitter finish since the area channeling is over extracting and the rest of the dose is under extracting.
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Postby cnhoff on Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:56 pm

Thanks cannonfodder!

How do i find out, what is the maximum dose for the double-filter.

Mostly i make two Cappus for my wife and me from a double so i want to use the maximum dose for the most flavor in the cup.
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Postby cannonfodder on Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:15 pm

Every blend/machine/grinder behaves differently. You just have to try it out and see what happens. When I had my Mazzer/Isomac combo I think I use to run in the 15-16 gram range but the dose can swing a lot from blend to blend. If you prep you portafilter, lock it into the group and then remove it, is the puck scuffed, cracked or otherwise disturbed? If it is, you could be disturbing the coffee bed and creating vertical or horizontal channeling.

If the grinder is new to you, you may be getting a new dose based on volume because of how the grinder grinds. Are you weighing the basket after dosing on a 0.1 gram scale? That would verify/eliminate that possibility.

There is nothing wrong with an 18 gram double, but if you are having problems, changing dose is one variable you can play with. In the end, the only thing that really matters is what you like. If the taste improves at a lower dose or extraction volume, compensate by using a little less milk in the drink to keep the milk to espresso ratio close to what you like.
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Postby another_jim on Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:02 pm

The answer is really not that complicated .... every shot you've ever pulled has channeled, whether it seems that way or not. Your shots will continue to do so until a) you take an expensive espresso course, or b) you get a naked PF and learn how to distribute and pack.

Some of us older regulars had been making thousands of espresso shots per year for many years (over twenty for me). And when we got our first naked PFs, we still got squirted in the face for a week or so.
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Postby cannonfodder on Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:06 pm

Still happens now and then. :oops:
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Postby cafeIKE on Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:00 pm

another_jim wrote:Some of us older regulars had been making thousands of espresso shots per year for many years (over twenty for me). And when we got our first naked PFs, we still got squirted in the face for a week or so.

Some of us on the other hand had been making 1 shot per year for thousands of years and were completely baffled about the fuss over a bottomless PF, apart from the voyeuristic entertainment value. IMO, spritzes are more likely the nearer the coffee is to death rattle. I'd never pulled viewed one until the H-B Tamper Road Show. :? A few since... :oops:
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Postby danetrainer on Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:09 pm

My schooling came in the form of a NS Oscar, with 14bar of brew pressure and a bottomless PF, your
attention to Grind/Distribute/Tamp had better improve in a hurry :lol: The Rotary pump Brewtus has
been a breeze and all that "first hand experience" has paid dividends where I can concentrate on other elements in perfecting the "craft of espresso".
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