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How do I make coffee like the Spanish?

Postby Phil66 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:45 am

Hello all,

I know many of you will be user of "real" coffee making equipment but I hope you can give me some guidance. Whenever my wife and I go on holiday to Spain we always enjoy the coffee served in hotels when we just ask for "Two white coffees please". It comes hot, milky and has a foam on top.
I have tried to create this with my new Jura Impressa C5 but can't quite get it right.
My last attempt (today) I used the Profi Frother to put half mug of hot milk into the mug then quickly switched to the cappuccino froth setting to give it a top of froth. I then almost filled the mug with coffee.
When we were drinking it we were amazed that as we got to the bottom the drink was more milky and only tepid. Why is this? What am I doing wrong? Any advice on how to create a nice milky hot coffee with this machine would be very much appreciated.
I am a complete beginner though so nothing too technical thanks.

Many thanks

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Postby another_jim on Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:21 pm

I hate to tell you this. The whole point of a superautomatic machine is that there are no "how to"s. The deal is you pay a lot of money for below average coffee making components, and thereby avoid all how tos by getting a microprocessors and some servos do the job for you.

However, you can complain. Most of these machines have calibrations that can be changed. If the milk is tepid, it may be possible to increase its temperature. So your best bet is to call the service people and see what they suggest.
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Postby Phil66 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:43 pm

Actually this machine is pretty good. The problem that I have is this, the milk comes out very hot, I warmed the mugs, the froth was hot, the central coffee was hot and the bottom of the drink was tepid. How did it cool down so quick?

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Postby Phil66 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:34 pm

To add,

I'm not (at the moment) a coffee aficionado, I just want a nice hot coffee that isn't granulated or pod.
Maybe in the near future I will get into the "proper" equipment, ie, grinder, press etc but I will never get there if you aficionados don't help me enjoy my current coffee more. Please remember we weren't all born into "proper" coffee, we have all drank instant, we need guidance into the world of real coffee not just negative feedback. That kind of feedback makes people give up, which is another potential coffee lover deluded and destroyed never to return.

Please give encouragement not negative feedback. That way more people will "see the light"

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Postby Cathi on Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:44 pm

Check your user manual to see if this topic may be covered. If your cups, coffee and milk are all hot, it doesn't make sense.
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Postby HB on Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:10 pm

Phil66 wrote:Actually this machine is pretty good. The problem that I have is this, the milk comes out very hot, I warmed the mugs, the froth was hot, the central coffee was hot and the bottom of the drink was tepid. How did it cool down so quick?

Would tea cool down equally fast in the same cup? It may be a matter of perception, I don't know. Of the cups I've used, nothing comes close to the double-walled glass Bodums. They keep the espresso/coffee too hot for my tastes and I only use them for "show."
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Postby Phil66 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:25 pm

Cathi wrote:Check your user manual to see if this topic may be covered. If your cups, coffee and milk are all hot, it doesn't make sense.



I agree,

Whatever method is used it doesn't make sense. I will try a different method and report back to you.

I fully understand the dilemma. I myself am seriously into high end audio. I can tell when a mains lead has been changed, or an interconnect so I know how you aficionado's must feel. please let us newbies into the inner sanctum.

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Postby HB on Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:07 pm

Phil66 wrote:I fully understand the dilemma. I myself am seriously into high end audio.

Indeed, everyone had to start somewhere, whether it was in coffee or high end audio. If you're curious, Hall of Shame: ''What I did when I was a newbie'' describes my early Krups days as well as many HB members. It's a funny read. Anyway,
there's probably a lot of analogies that hold true for both pursuits. For example, serious enthusiasts know that there's only so far you can get with a given setup, especially in the entry to high entry level equipment. Knowledgeable of these constraints, you can set your expectations accordingly. I believe that was Jim's point, not a rebuke of your equipment choice.
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Postby Phil66 on Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:13 am

Ok I was wrong in part of my statement, I have just done a test with the C5. I extracted some milk into a pre-heated mug using the bottom position on the Profi, it was only slightly warmer than the milk in the container, easily drinkable straight off. Should it be hotter than this? I said the milk was hot, not because I KNEW it was but because I expected it to be. My error, sorry.
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Postby bogiesan on Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:53 am

Phil66 wrote:Ok I was wrong in part of my statement, I have just done a test with the C5. I extracted some milk into a pre-heated mug using the bottom position on the Profi, it was only slightly warmer than the milk in the container, easily drinkable straight off. Should it be hotter than this? I said the milk was hot, not because I KNEW it was but because I expected it to be. My error, sorry.
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Time to start with some empirical data: get a thermometer.

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