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Help - Second shot choking!

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Link to "Help - Second shot choking!"by fronesis on Sat May 30, 2009 9:24 am

Thanks to a lot of help from folks around here, I've now been up and running for a month or so with my new setup: a refurbed Mazzer Major and a new Gaggia Classic. After 10 years of using an old Starbucks Barista with a cheap grinder, I've learned a lot. And I've pulled a lot of REALLY good shots.

But I'm having a issue keep cropping up. Most of the time I make americanos for me and my wife, so it's two drinks and very simple. Here's what keeps occurring: I feel like I have my grind and tamp all dialed in nicely, and the first shots (for her!) are amazing - beautiful, consistent, lovely. Then I move on to the second shots (for me) and with what seems to me like the same dosing and same tamp, I CHOKE the machine. I usually then back off either by underdosing a little or tamping lightly and end up with drinkable shots, but not nearly as great as the ones I just gave her.

I'm drinking Counter Culture's Espresso Toscana, blended half and half with Counter Culture's Decaf Sumatra. The beans are about 10 days old and only 2 days out of the freezer.

The only theories I can come up with are:

1. My grind is actually TOO fine, but the old leftover grinds in the chute of the Major are counteracting this. So I get the "right grind" in the first shots, but then I have too fine a grind when I actually use the completely freshly ground coffee for the second shots.

2. Something to do with static on the second shots? I'm using the 2L bottle conversion, and I don't seem to notice much static - and no problems with clumping. But there is a little more static with the second shots. (General question: what are the ill effects of static - just clumping, or something else? I definitely don't have clumping.)

Any thoughts would be much appreciated...!
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Link to "Help - Second shot choking!"by HB on Sat May 30, 2009 9:50 am

fronesis wrote:My grind is actually TOO fine, but the old leftover grinds in the chute of the Major are making counteracting this. So I get the "right grind" in the first shots, but then I have too fine a grind when I actually use the completely freshly ground coffee for the second shots.

This sounds like the most likely cause. Your Major's grind chamber and chute holds at least 3-4 grams of stale coffee. Try sweeping the chute with a small brush and purging a few grams of coffee at the start of each session.

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fronesis wrote:General question: what are the ill effects of static - just clumping, or something else? I definitely don't have clumping.

Messy countertops. :lol:
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Link to "Help - Second shot choking!"by fronesis on Sat May 30, 2009 12:25 pm

Thanks for the confirmation. I've got a brush - I've just been too lazy to use it. So I'll be more diligent to make sure I've gotten rid of all old ground, and we'll see if that fixes the problem.
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Link to "Help - Second shot choking!"by sweaner on Sat May 30, 2009 12:53 pm

Maybe you can do a little experiment. Don't change your technique. Grind shot #1 and save it. Then grind shot #2 and pull that one first. If it chokes, you probably have your answer. Then pull #1.
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Link to "Help - Second shot choking!"by cannonfodder on Sat May 30, 2009 1:52 pm

I had the same idea as Dan. My money is on old grinds in the grind path. I try to stop just a little short of my dose, then brush the grinds out of the chute to finish my dose to minimize waste. Then before the next shot I give the grinder a two second pulse to purge any that are left in the chute, dose those into the catch bin and grind my next shot.
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Link to "Help - Second shot choking!"by drdna on Sat May 30, 2009 4:01 pm

Use the first part of the grounds to make YOUR Americano. The second shot will be for your wife, so if it chokes, it will not be nearly as annoying.
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Link to "Help - Second shot choking!"by fronesis on Sun May 31, 2009 9:02 am

Thanks, all! I can now say that the difference between first and second shots was definitely old grinds in the chute. Doing a diligent job of cleaning them out led to similar results.
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