www.evocationcoffee.com: artisan roaster with passion for great coffee

Frothing: "Milk leftovers" at the bottom of the pitcher...

Postby ferrum on Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:34 am

Due to my cappuccino and latte frothing addiction as of late I'm looking to see how I can improve my frothing skills...

I use a Dalla Corte Mini (which has a separate steam boiler)...

I use half-fat milk (would whole-milk be better??)

The problem I have sometimes (more often than not) is that when I froth the milk, I get nice microfoam (although it tends to be quite stiff / difficult to pour)... but at the very bottom there's still "normal" - unfrothed - milk in the pitcher...
so when I start the to pour (although my pouring of milk isn't very good yet) there first comes out a good bit of unsteamed milk.

what I can do is to swirl the milkfoam a little and then the foamy stuff flows better into the cup, but not without first "milk-filling" the coffee...

Sometimes I manage to get almost 100% foam (especially since changing the tip to a 4-hole 1,2mm)... but it's still inconsistent and I'm not too sure on the WHY or the HOW.

any input highly appreciated.

keep in mind - my ultimate frothing-goal is lovely latte art...

thanks


Daniel
ferrum
 
Posts: 27
Joined: Mar 29, 2009
Location: Zurich

Postby HB on Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:41 am

It sounds like you need to do some remixing. While this is far from an exceptional pour, my entry for Latte Art Challenge(d) demonstrates:

Dan Kehn
User avatar
HB
 
Posts: 12669
Joined: Apr 29, 2005
Location: Cary, NC
www.orphanespresso.com: lever espresso machine parts, manual grinders
www.orphanespresso.com: lever espresso machine parts, manual grinders

Postby malachi on Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:22 pm

your description of "stiff" foam with milk underneath indicates that you have dramatically over-stretched your milk.

you need to only stretch until the milk is:
a - no longer cold (latte)
b - starting to warm (capp)

at that point you need to steam, not stretch, the milk until it reaches your desired temp (I tend to suggest beginners shoot for a lower temp - say 135f).

throughout, make sure that the tip doesn't break the surface (producing big-ass bubbles), and aim for the creation of a whirlpool like vortex within the pitcher.
"Taste is the only morality." -- John Ruskin
malachi
 
Posts: 2593
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: sfca

Postby another_jim on Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:27 pm

Um, if your foam is stiff, it is not microfoam.
User avatar
another_jim
 
Posts: 7190
Joined: May 05, 2005
Location: Chicago

Postby cannonfodder on Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:00 pm

As the others have stated, it sounds like you are stretching the milk too long. It normally only takes 10-15 seconds of stretching on a typical home machine, big boiler machines take even less time. You may not be getting a good rolling vortex in the pitcher as well. If the milk is not really rolling in the pitcher it will not fully incorporate. Try stretching less, find the wand/pitcher angle that gets the milk rolling vigorously in the pitcher and stop steaming around 135-140F.
Dave Stephens
User avatar
cannonfodder
 
Posts: 6640
Joined: May 23, 2005
Location: Downingtown PA

Postby ferrum on Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:08 am

Thanks for all the insight provided here!

matter of fact I got a much better idea now about what I should be doing and what not ;)

but I need MORE MILK ;)

best

Daniel
ferrum
 
Posts: 27
Joined: Mar 29, 2009
Location: Zurich

Postby ferrum on Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:30 am

Thanks again...

after steaming well over a liter of milk (or was that closer to two? :roll: ) since my previous post here I finally made it: MICROFOAM ;)

That paint-like stuff... makes your coffee really more "fluffy", different tasting...

The main "issue" was speed.... I really did steam the stuff far too long in fear of not getting foam...
but I guess I really underestimated the Dalla Corte Mini with her dedicated steam boiler here...


Now I can start working on the actual pouring... and maybe in a couple of months I'll even get latte art.... who knows.
ferrum
 
Posts: 27
Joined: Mar 29, 2009
Location: Zurich


Return to Tips and Techniques