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Postby DCAD on Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:45 pm

oofnik wrote:There was a point a little while back when I was almost about to give it all up. I was getting undrinkable results that were excessively harsh and bitter and not tasty at all. This was after an extensive modification to the machine including a pressure relief valve and gauge, PID, boiler insulation, etc. I figured I could control variables with little difficulty that I didn't have control over before. I wanted to blame the machine but like everyone kept preaching, it was user error. Not necessarily dosing/tamping, but I think it had a lot to do with the temperature. For some reason my instruments had failed me and no matter what the display temperature was constantly way below the actual temperature, causing everything to taste too hot and overextracted.
I hate to say it but when I switched to using my Mininova I got instantly better results. I think it's true that the E61 design is more forgiving than others in the sense that you can still make a good espresso with a relatively (!) wide margin of error.
Anyway, for your case, I would recommend taking a step back like I did and thinking about what is really significant. If you say you're getting tasty shots, what's the problem? So what if you get pinhole jets every now and then? I know you feel like you're not reaching the full potential of the coffee. But then you have people with Versalab M3's and double boiler digitally controlled LM GS3's that have been pulling shots for more than a decade who still aren't satisfied. There's really no other explanation other than the human desire to improve on a learned skill. It's the reason why we're here on these forums.

Excuse my existentialism but I've just been trying to put the whole espresso world into a broader perspective and stop looking at fussy details lately, and I think it's helping my shots taste better for some reason. :P


I think that may be it. I am getting fabulous shots. It's the high point of my morning. Right timing, right volume, incredible crema. So what if I get a few pinholes? THEY TASTE GREAT! --- far too good to add milk. About once a week I get the desire to make a latte. But when I drink it, it's never as good as the straight stuff. My only problem is to discipline myself to only two doubles a morning. I'd really like to have three but that is a bit excessive on the caffeine front.

BTW I have been plugging away with people's suggestions and have been incrementally improving. I have lost the slight doughnut of initial drops (wasn't' that bad to begin with) and the pinholes are diminishing. Maybe I will get there at some point. But at this point I'll take a long term perspective and not stress all that much about it.
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Postby gadflea on Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:45 pm

I recently changed from a flat RB tamper to a Euro convex RB tamper. With the flat tamper, my pinholes and side-channeling diminished when I started lightly compressing the distributed grounds with a slight nutating motion before tamping at 30-40 lbs. With the convex tamper I no longer have issues with sidechanneling, but I do get frequent pinholes in the center of the puck.

I can't remember which forum it was in, but someone said that nutating with a convex tamper is a crime... so I have not tried that technique. However, paying careful attention to the distribution step has somewhat diminished the number of pinholes I get.

If you have not tried the nutating motion, it is worth giving it a shot.
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Postby scottyg514 on Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:51 pm

I get channeling 9 out of 10 times
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Postby DCAD on Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:01 pm

scottyg514 wrote:I get channeling 9 out of 10 times


Are you OK with this or does it bother you?
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Postby scottyg514 on Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:38 pm

At first it bothered me, but then realized the taste wasn't affected.

So now I really don't care.

The only thing that bothers me about it now is the mess.

I imagine most people on this site get their fair share of channeling.

If you let channeling get to you too much, then you're in for alot of frustration
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Postby DCAD on Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:29 am

I think I solved the problem
Or
At least have made vast improvements

I really didn't what to believe that you had to be this precise to make it work but... Everything has to be just so to eliminate pinholes.

I now use the following technique and it seems to be working for me:

1) Half dose into the basket
2) Redistribute grounds with the Weiss Distribution Technique
3) Moderate tamp with the convex tamper hanging off the side of my Macap doser. (I had left it off the machine but now have a valid use for it.)

All of the above serve to set a base for a solid edge seal. I think the pre-tamp with the convex tamper sets a base of even distribution with slightly more grounds along the edge for a good edge seal.

4) Put the remainder of the dose into the basket.
5) Scoop about 1 g grounds from the center of the basket and then add back enough to make exactly a 15.0 g ± 0.2 g final dose. (Usually I grind about 1 g over so I have enough grounds to easily make my dose.)
6) With my fingertips I gently push the loose top grounds from the second dose towards the sides of the basket. This is to fill in voids and to make sure there are slightly more grounds on the sides of the basket.
7) Apply light pre-tamp pressure with my flat Reg Barber tamper. This is where I make any leveling corrections.
8) Gently tap the basket to dislodge grounds from the sides.
9) Make a final hard 30-40 lb tamp followed with a polishing twist. (No nutation or anything fancy--just a plain straight down tamp.)

With this I get an extremely uniform extraction. Not even a hint of an initial doughnut shape and no side channeling or pinholes. Woo hoo!
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