Espresso spraying with bottomless portafilter?

Beginner or pro barista, all are invited to share.
robbbby
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:00 pm
Real Name: Rob
Location: Canada

Postby robbbby » Mon May 09, 2011 10:34 pm

I have a single boiler lelit and have been using the oem portafilter without any trouble. i just purchased a lelit naked portafilter and noticed when I first start pulling a shot with the new portafilter coffee kind of sprays everywhere from the bottom of the portafilter for a few seconds before starting to nicely pour from the middle. Is this normal? Anything I can do so that it doesn't splatter when I initially turn the water on?

Thanks

User avatar
Randy G.
Posts: 3326
Joined: Sat May 12, 2007 11:54 am
Real Name: Randy Glass
Equipment: Vibiemme DD, Mazzer Kony, 4 Hottops, Espro Presses, Beko, Hario, Bunn A10 modded, Clarity, etc.
Location: Yankee Hill, CA
Interests: Coffee, German Shepherds, Blues Harmonica

Postby Randy G. » Mon May 09, 2011 10:48 pm

The spray has always been happening (at least at time). You are just finally seeing it. These are sprites; possible causes include:
- uneven distribution
- uneven tamping
- too high a dose (hits screen, get damaged)
- improper size tamper (too small)
- tapping the side of portafilter with the tamper to knock off grounds
- too fine of a grind and too low a dose
- damaged screen or missing distribution disc cause excessively violent early water flow
Espresso! My Espresso!
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

User avatar
cafeIKE
Posts: 3083
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:53 pm
Real Name: Ian Eales
Equipment: Elektra MXC, Macap MXK & MC4, Vibiemme Domobar DB & HX Super PID, UberHotTop
Location: Woodland Hills, CA
Interests: Movies, Cooking, History

Postby cafeIKE » Mon May 09, 2011 11:38 pm

also stale coffee

tamper size is irrelevant
See Tamping Twaddle

User avatar
F.M.
Posts: 160
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:13 pm
Real Name: F.M.
Equipment: Bezzera Strega| Cimbali Max
Location: Seattle

Postby F.M. » Tue May 10, 2011 12:31 am

Another cause to add to the list:
Uneven grind

I've found that when I make even slight grinder adjustments, even after cleaning doser & chute out, the next shot often spritzs a bit... but the following shots are fine. My theory is that the first dose following the adjustment ends up having a mix of slightly coarser and finer grinds from grinder retention, resulting in channeling and spraying.

User avatar
cannonfodder
Team HB
Posts: 8106
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 8:20 am
Real Name: Dave Stephens
Equipment: Elektra A3, Faema, Gaggia Lever, LaCimbali the list goes on...
Location: Downingtown PA
Interests: Motorcycles, hunting and coffee.

Postby cannonfodder » Tue May 10, 2011 9:06 am

What kind of grinder do you have, when was your coffee roasted?
Dave Stephens

robbbby
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:00 pm
Real Name: Rob
Location: Canada

Postby robbbby » Tue May 10, 2011 10:19 pm

thanks for the advice guys, guess i'll have to play with a few things like trying to perfect my tamp and make sure everything else is good. i'm using a baratza vario grinder and have not adjusted the grind since about 30-40 espressos ago.
As for the roast i'll have to check and see if there is a roast date on the bag. I just opened the bag like 2 days ago, it's probably not the best beans in the world but it has always treated me good taste wise once I got everything dialed in.

User avatar
cannonfodder
Team HB
Posts: 8106
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 8:20 am
Real Name: Dave Stephens
Equipment: Elektra A3, Faema, Gaggia Lever, LaCimbali the list goes on...
Location: Downingtown PA
Interests: Motorcycles, hunting and coffee.

Postby cannonfodder » Wed May 11, 2011 8:46 am

If there is no roast date, you need new beans. If the roasted on date is after 5-1-11, you need new beans. Grinder adjustments are normal on almost a daily basis with fresh coffee due to changes in the beans as they age. Coffee that does not require a change in the grind setting for weeks does so because the coffee has long since gone stale. While that may not be the end cause of your channeling, it is certainly not helping.
Dave Stephens

User avatar
allon
Posts: 1626
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:49 am
Real Name: Allon Stern
Equipment: Faema C85, CMA Lever, SJ, Lido, Pharos, KYM, Skerton, PIDed iRoast2, Brazen, CCD
Location: Northern VA

Postby allon » Wed May 11, 2011 9:48 am

cannonfodder wrote: If the roasted on date is after 5-1-11, you need new beans.


You mean "before"?

Another thing; I've noticed some blends are more forgiving than other blends when it comes to spritzing/channeling regardless of freshness.
LMWDP #331

User avatar
Randy G.
Posts: 3326
Joined: Sat May 12, 2007 11:54 am
Real Name: Randy Glass
Equipment: Vibiemme DD, Mazzer Kony, 4 Hottops, Espro Presses, Beko, Hario, Bunn A10 modded, Clarity, etc.
Location: Yankee Hill, CA
Interests: Coffee, German Shepherds, Blues Harmonica

Postby Randy G. » Wed May 11, 2011 10:16 am

re: "Roasted on date"
allon wrote:You mean "before"?

No. You need to know when the coffee was roasted, not when it will go bad.
The basic rule is that if the coffee doesn't say when it was roasted, don't buy it.
Espresso! My Espresso!

http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

User avatar
allon
Posts: 1626
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:49 am
Real Name: Allon Stern
Equipment: Faema C85, CMA Lever, SJ, Lido, Pharos, KYM, Skerton, PIDed iRoast2, Brazen, CCD
Location: Northern VA

Postby allon » Wed May 11, 2011 10:32 am

The comment was if it said roasted after 5-1-11, to get new beans. I'd think that after 5-1-11 would be fine.
It's BEFORE that it may be too stale.

The fact of a roasted date means it is known when items roasted. I have no idea what you are thinking.
LMWDP #331