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Postby another_jim on Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:54 pm

Ian_G wrote:So coming back to my original "theory". Was cost reduction the determining factor behind dose setting?


No. Throughout continental Europe, cafes were the equivalent of English or US clubs; they were exclusive and expensive. You didn't need to be a member to go, but you weren't seated if you weren't presentable. Espresso stands at arcades and railway stations were serving a quickly prepped drink to the same affluent cafe customers who were in a hurry.

The race towards the bottom began after the first world war. Unionized blue collar workers and the new class of basic white collar workers became affluent enough to afford coffee and other sufficiencies ("necessities," "sufficiencies," and "luxuries" were once regarded as the three levels of goods). Finding lots of cheap, mass produced sufficiencies became the key to regular people being able to lead a pleasant life, and it eventually gave us Folgers and Walmart.

High end coffee became the province of stuffy rich people going to moldering old cafes and more or less disappeared from the popular culture. In Italy, espresso turned into to the apotheosis of mass produced coffee. The blends became cheaper, but I do not think the dosing changed much. In the rest of the world, basic coffee sucked so badly that watering it down was doing it a favor.

But the world of Walmart and Folgers, of mass produced sufficiencies, developed a new wrinkle after the 60s. It allowed people so inclined to add a few luxuries to their lives. So now the world is filled with regular people who pick one or two things to splurge on. The revival in coffee is based on those who decided it was worth the splurge.
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Postby Ian_G on Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:30 am

Very interesting to read some of the history and background. I've also used the 7g advisory to good effect. It prompted me to buy some scales and it has already made a difference to my espresso "experiments". Thanks for all the input guys.
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Postby ethiopie on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:26 am

I think 7 g already is a fairly high dose. Until recently, coffee was an expensive product. My grandmother would use a tablespoon of ground coffee - roughly equivalent to 7 g - if she wanted to make "a good coffee" for a special guest; for daily use she dosed lower. When Italian immigrants started to arrive where I live, many good folks were shocked to learn that Italians used "so much coffee for such a small cup" in their Bialettis. I'm not a specialist of Turkish coffee, but as far as I know Turks dose lower (per cup). It may sound strange, but I do believe that 7 g is an "updose", historically speaking.

I think the historical anomaly - nothing wrong with historical anomalies, by the way - is the trend towards 8,9, 10 or even 11 g for a cup. The reason? I don't know. The general opinion on this forum seems to be that certain coffees are roasted & blended for higher doses. But I also suspect that higher doses are technically easier to master. I'm not into updosing, but when I started to work with my Bezzera, I started with the double basket. Only when I knew how to work consistently with 14 g, I went back to my usual 7 g.

If I go much lower - say 5 g - I can't make a decent espresso, at least not consistently. Perhaps the 7 g is the "lowest updose" to make a consistent espresso with the current machines.
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Postby aecletec on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:59 am

The worse a coffee tastes the less one, generally, would want to use...
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