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Dosing, Distribution and Tamping Questions

Postby Bezman on Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:54 am

Hi.
I've been trying different dosing and distribution techniques these past two days with varying results. I'd like to know what the different phenomena I encountered mean.

Sometimes I get a very dirty shower screen, sometimes slightly dirty and sometimes absolutely clean. When it is absolutely clean, there is quite a lot of water on the puck although my machine does have a 3-way solenoid that is supposed to suck the water in.
I've tried putting a coin on my puck, and it passes the test whenever I dose and tamp to the height where I have a slightly dirty or very clean shower screen. I'm sorry I can't talk with numbers, I still don't have a kitchen scale.

I can affect the height of the puck in the portafilter by either dosing less or tamping harder, but I don't know whether I should aim for a clean shower screen or not. Also, is the fact the machine is not able to suck in all the leftover water a problem with the machine or something I'm not aware of?

Another thing I noticed is that sometimes the puck comes out pretty dry after the shot and fall out of the portafilter easily and sometimes it is soaked a leaves a lot of sticky grounds stuck inside. What causes this?
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Postby allon on Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:03 am

Bezman wrote: I don't know whether I should aim for a clean shower screen or not.


How about aiming for the best taste, regardless of the cleanliness of the screen?

If you can get a clean screen without affecting the taste, go for it, but I would focus on flavor.
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Postby mitch236 on Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:41 am

I know I'm quickly getting a rep as being the crazy scale guy but I can't see how I would be able to diagnose your issue without one. Don't worry about your shower screen. Most likely your doses are varying and a couple grams are hard for the inexperienced to notice.

Get a cheap pocket digital gram scale. Best $10 you will spend!!
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Postby Anvan on Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:01 pm

+1 Bezman.

Put your faith in the crazy scale guy, plus anyone who says that the most important thing is to taste.
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Postby HB on Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:01 pm

Bezman wrote:Another thing I noticed is that sometimes the puck comes out pretty dry after the shot and fall out of the portafilter easily and sometimes it is soaked a leaves a lot of sticky grounds stuck inside. What causes this?

For the second time this month, I will be lazy and repost my reply from Dry puck below:

matt1203 wrote:what make a dry puck ?

If the puck doesn't make contact with the dispersion screen when the coffee expands, the puck's surface will be wet with a sandy/lunar-esque texture. As long as the puck is consistent, wet or not, it's fine. For reference, see prior discussions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... or just puckology in general. If you want a dry puck, dose a few grams more and/or wait longer before removing the portafilter.

allon wrote:There are a couple of things that can be diagnosed from a puck...

I've not discovered a correlation between the appearance of the puck post-extraction and the taste of the espresso. Moreover, there's nothing inherently wrong with small puddles of water on the puck's surface, though it should be consistent from shot-to-shot. That is, if you see big puddles one time, dry as sand the next, that's a problem. But if the puck's surface looks and feels basically the same each time, I believe you've exhausted the value of puckology.

That's why I am wary of claims that one can see evidence of channeling on the puck's surface. Afterall, most espresso machines have 3-way valves and they depressurize from 130 PSI to 0 in an instant. I think that any fissures are as likely caused by rapid depressurization as channeling during the extraction.

mitch236 wrote:Most likely your doses are varying and a couple grams are hard for the inexperienced to notice.

allon wrote:How about aiming for the best taste, regardless of the cleanliness of the screen? If you can get a clean screen without affecting the taste, go for it, but I would focus on flavor.

I agree with these replies and will add that I can teach the mechanics of espresso preparation in about 20 minutes. Identifying the source of shot-to-shot inconsistencies in technique is a little harder, but not much. Identifying the source of taste defects requires more experience, but thankfully there's lots of online documentation pointing to places to start (e.g., here and here and here, to name only three).
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Postby Bezman on Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:03 pm

Yeah, I know I need a scale and a bottomless portafilter, both will be ordered soon.
Until that time comes when they finally arrive, I still would like to practice my shots. Any advice would be appreciated although I can provide very little information.
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Postby HB on Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:17 pm

A scale is nice for consistency, but dosing by volume works too. The key is not to (unintentionally) compress the grounds when dosing. So, for example, dose directly into the basket until it's overflowing. If you're using a doser, pull the handle such that each portion drops along the perimeter of the basket (i.e., don't create a huge pyramid in the middle and then push the coffee around; you'll end up with more coffee in the middle due to settling). The video in Stockfleths Move for Dummies demonstrates this point. Once the basket is filled past the top, strike off the excess into the doser. This will produce the "standard" dose for that basket, typically 14 grams for a double. If you want to dose more, gently tap the portafilter to settle the grounds, then dose/strike off a second time. With practice, each tap will add approximately 1 gram.

My final piece of advice: Don't overthink it. While inconsistencies may be a bit frustrating, making espresso at home is like any new endeavor. It requires experience and the development of skills. Nobody I've known has ever learned to ski, skate, or ride a bicycle without falling a few times. You'll enjoy the learning experience more if you see these initial steps as the beginning of a journey.
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Postby Anvan on Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:31 pm

mitch236 wrote:Get a cheap pocket digital gram scale. Best $10 you will spend!!

A little unsolicited advice further to Mitch's if you go with a scale:
  • Get a scale with .1g accuracy. You may or may not choose to measure to that level, but even if you don't, it's a lot easier to use when measuring coffee
  • Get a scale that uses batteries you likely already have around the house such as AA or AAA.
  • If you weigh with the basket outside the PF, you can get a smaller scale with a lower capacity since you will only need to tare a ~30g basket. Otherwise you will need a much larger capacity to handle the weight of the PF. There are more (and less expensive) choices for .1g scales in the smaller capacity ranges.
  • Just as a reference point (there are many other good choices) I got a Proscale LC 300 which (weighing in the basket only, not PF) has worked great. Small, easy-to-read, no complicated menus, starts up pretty fast and tares instantly.
  • There are many places (other than eBay) to buy these. I got mine at Will Knott, who has a fairly comprehensive selection and an online store that's easy to navigate. If their prices were any higher than elsewhere, it probably wasn't more than by a dollar if that.
  • Consider buying two for a backup. They're cheap, you can lend one to a friend etc.
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Postby Bezman on Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:38 pm

Well, since my last post I've burnt through 250gr of coffee and I feel I'm fairly consistent now. Pour times are very similar as well as puck "wetness" and shower head cleanliness. My dosing and distribution method is a combination of things I read online that I feel I can perform consistently.
First I use the doser while grinding to create a nice mound that is not too high and as level as possible (the doser throws the grinds to the left, so need to be careful). I tap the portafilter against the fork that is attached to the grinder to settle everything. I then use the index finger variation of Stockfleth's Move to distribute (without compressing) the grounds as evenly as I can. I then use the cover of the dosing chamber to strike off the excess coffee back into the dosing chamber. I then tamp and pull the shot.

The pour time accuracy makes me think that I'm consistent enough for now, until I have a weight and a bottomless portafilter. Taste-wise I'm pretty happy. Beats the old Evolution :)
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Postby Bezman on Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:39 pm

As for the scale - I'll get something that is positively reviewed on dealextreme. Will take a couple of weeks though...
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