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Postby zin1953 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:27 am

FWIW, I haven't noticed any need to change grind between beans that were used "fresh" and those which were frozen and then used. (I, too, take them out the night before, letting the beans come up to ambient temperature.)

I have, however, needed to adjust the grind settings for things like humidity and temperature.
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Postby nixter on Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:19 pm

If anybody else wants to try grinding straight out of the freezer I'd love to know the results. I've found it makes no difference than leaving them overnight.
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Postby timo888 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:13 pm

What is the reason for wanting the beans to be at room temperature before grinding?
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Postby GC7 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:30 pm

To prevent condensation on the beans.
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Postby maximatica on Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:30 pm

nixter wrote:If anybody else wants to try grinding straight out of the freezer I'd love to know the results. I've found it makes no difference than leaving them overnight.



What you got when you put your frozen beans in the hopper were more beans to displace the grounds held in the grind path. So you got warm grinds that were held in the grind path when you "ground them", not grinds from frozen beans.

I ground some frozen Hairbender a few weeks back (forgot to take them out the night before) and it was off as you would expect with the frozen coffee pulling the brew temp down. An hour or so later and they were back to normal.

I have been using frozen beans for about 8 months and they are excellent if they are allowed to warm up.

They require a slight finer grind than when I receive the shipment from Stumptown but not much.
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Postby HB on Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:23 pm

maximatica wrote:I ground some frozen Hairbender a few weeks back (forgot to take them out the night before) and it was off as you would expect with the frozen coffee pulling the brew temp down. An hour or so later and they were back to normal.

"As you would expect"? :?

I've never tried it, but no, I wouldn't expect a measurable impact on the brew temperature for coffee ground from room temperature beans vs. frozen. Does burr heating coffee grounds negatively affect taste of espresso? shows why I am skeptical:

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As the graph shows, the grinder chamber warms up quickly due to friction and that much metal isn't going to be cooled much by 14 grams of cold cellulose. That said, perhaps frozen coffee grinds differently and that would explain your observation (i.e., more fines due to greater "shattering")?
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Postby another_jim on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:26 pm

HB wrote: i.e., more fines due to greater "shattering"?


That would be my expectation. The major reason different coffees require different grind settings for espresso is the fines they create, i.e. how brittle the cellulose is. This is easy to demonstrate -- who changes grind settings for any other brewing method?

Lighter than the middle of the first crack roasts are usually impossible for espresso, since the remaining moisture in the beans makes then too soft for fines. Old, dark roasted, and low grown coffees all require finer grinds, since the beans are softer. It could be that grinding frozen beans, and the presumably coarser grind this allows, would make these coffees more manageable. Imagine ... monsooned malabar not tasting like overextracted sawdust :P
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Postby nixter on Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:45 pm

maximatica wrote:What you got when you put your frozen beans in the hopper were more beans to displace the grounds held in the grind path. So you got warm grinds that were held in the grind path when you "ground them", not grinds from frozen beans.


Actually no. The Vario keeps very little in the burrs or grind path. I know this because when I feed Grindz through it get almost no dark mixed with the lighter Grindz.
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