Elektra A3 Mods, False Pressures etc

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ianh
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I purchased an Elektra A3, largely on the basis of Dan Kehn's excellent review (/elektra-a3 ... guide.html), but additionally because its size and design met requirements. A La Marzocco GS/3 was also considered; however, I am not convinced that the flavour profile from a flat temperature (PID) supply is my preference, preferring the spike of an HX machine to 'get things started'. The local La Marzocco dealer was also less than encouraging, identifying stagnation in a double boiler machine being a disadvantage when used for small volume home use. I have no experience of this, but am in no way disappointed with the Elektra. Notwithstanding, I felt a couple of minor improvements could be made.

Firstly, pressurization is fast, and there is often an initial flow surge at the very start of pulling a shot, which seemed to flush through fines. This varied with different coffees and grind, and initial thoughts were to try a smaller gicleur. However the flow rate for the rest of the shot was good. Pre-infusion was tried as an alternative, and gave great results. I had intended to purchase the semi-automatic as reviewed; however production of this model has been discontinued, with only the model T1, the automatic equivalent with programmable dosing buttons, being made.

In retrospect, I am glad I got a T1; the programmable dosing is useful. But it also made it very easy to add pre-infusion: the hole where the manually operated switch used to be had been covered with a blanking plate, and the lever and switch assembly were available as a spare part. It was easy to fit, and the switch, wired in series with the pump, allows a shot to started without the pump, and then once pre-infused, to be finished off at full pressure. The supply pressure, which provides pre-infusion, is 3 to 3.5 bar. Initial flow rate is improved, and the shots are more consistent. And the installation looks good using the original Elektra part as shown in the photo.



The second issue involved the boiler filling. We drink mainly 'long blacks', which involve some water being added to the cup before pulling the shot. Due to the vagaries of the fill control system, shots were often being interrupted by the fill pump solenoid cutting in during a shot, noticeably affecting the results. The vagaries are common to most machines: that is, rather than using a dual probe to exactly control upper and lower levels, they use a single probe level control, and electronic timer to determine fill level. There is a delay in starting the fill once the probe is above water level, and a delay in stopping the fill once the water level is above the probe. The result is unpredictable, and sometimes disruptive, filling.

The Elektra A3 very conveniently has both delivery and fill indicator lights which are easy to break into for wiring modifications. A relay was added to isolate the fill solenoid when delivery was happening. This solved the initial problem; however, due to the design of the 'brain box' it resulted in 60 volt across the fill indicator light. The brain box seems to be using the fill solenoid coil to hold it low when delivery is occurring. A second modification using two relays as shown below, where the solenoid valve is only isolated when both fill and delivery are occurring simultaneously, avoids this problem.



At about the time these modifications were being done, 'false pressure' was very occasionally experienced, and the first thoughts were that they were some side effect of the modifications. All modifications were removed, reverting to factory default, but still they occasionally occurred. Before reinstating the modifications, an effort was made to identify the cause, which is not easy as they are intermittent and infrequent. A lot of time was spent measuring temperatures and pressures. Much has been written about this phenomenon with lengthy explanations including Dalton's Law of Partial Pressures, Boyles Law, the function of vacuum break valves, and many other ideas some of which are obviously correct, and others quite spurious.

My conclusion is that: false pressure only occurs on startup from cold, and results from normal operating pressure being obtained without a saturated atmosphere present in the boiler. The normal pressure stat controls temperature by switching the heating element on and off at a saturated pressure that is equivalent to the required temperature. If for some reason this pressure is achieved at a lower temperature without a saturated atmosphere, a temperature to achieve saturated atmosphere is never reached. By observations, this pressure can be achieved with a combination of circumstances: probably due to contraction of the water volume during previous cooling the level can be below the filling probe when first turned on. During previous cooling, the vacuum break valve admits air and most moisture will condense, more so when the tank is colder. During the startup, the combination of water being heated and expanded, the air being heated and expanded, and the the water volume being increased due to filling action, operating pressure is achieved below boiling point - by my observations, usually around 95 to 98 degC.

The problem is so infrequent as to not warrant concern. However, the answer is probably to fit a thermostat (ideally PID controlled) rather than a pressurestat. Interestingly, some of the Elektra machines do have thermostats fitted.

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#2: Post by da gino »

The preinfusion mod using the A3 lever is clever and looks great.

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#3: Post by cannonfodder »

Your vacuum breaker is sticking. That is why you are getting false pressure. It is a very common issue with any espresso machine that gets turned on and off. I keep a spare in my parts pile but you can remove it and soak it in some descale solution or vinegar to try cleaning it up a bit. Given the fact that the A3/T1 takes over an hour to heat, I just let it run 24/7.

Group jet, Elektra uses a 0.9mm group jet and they use a different thread than an E61 group. I was playing with my machine several years ago and had just re jetted the carbs on my Ninja and thought the group jet on the Elektra looked a lot like the primary jet on my motorcycle. Turns out, they are. So if you have a motorcycle shop around, you can replace the Elektra jet with a Keihin carburetor jet. Carb jets are numbered but not by the diameter of the orifice, I won't go into that, way off topic. FYI, a size 68 jet is between 0.7mm and 0.6mm and a 72.5 is between a 0.8mm and 0.7mm.
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ianh (original poster)
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#4: Post by ianh (original poster) »

Thanks. I did test the vacuum break, and all looked OK. The problem is that the occurrence is intermittent and infrequent; and it occurs after the fact, inasmuch as the vacuum break presumably sticks during previous cooling, and may well be OK by the time the problem recurs. Carrying a spare sounds like a good plan.

Using carby jets is not something I would have thought of, but shall try the same if I can get them. The pre-infusion is actually fairly effective, and gives a nice slow indication of how even the flow is across the basket.

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#5: Post by mhoy »

Very nice mod you've got here!

I replaced the seal in my vacuum breaker in my T1 thanks to a fellow member in Montreal sending me the new washer I needed. It's lasted a couple of years, and I'm occasionally getting false pressure. You can tap on the top of the vacuum breaker or jog the steam wand to let air into the system when it's cooled until you get around to fixing it.

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#6: Post by DJF »

Thanks for the great posts on the T1. The A3 is probably the only machine that I would sell my caffeinated soul for. Every machine I have including my beloved Semiautomatica would go if it meant an A3 might sit on my bench.

As the A3 is no longer made I will make an exception. Soul for T1 it is.
"24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I don't think so."

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#7: Post by Bademester »

Hey

I would like to know where you bought the A3 lever? would love to do that mod myself

Kind regards

Daniel Kristensen

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mhoy
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#8: Post by mhoy »

Any of the Elektra shops should be able to get the spare parts for ya.

Mark

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#9: Post by mhoy »

The lever on a T1 would also be a nice place for a pressure profile ramp controller. :D Fit in the nifty Arduino controller than another member has fiddled with and voila.

Mark