www.evocationcoffee.com: artisan roaster with passion for great coffee

Troubles frothing milk

Postby davidl14 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:22 pm

Why does some milk fail to froth well? I use 1 percent milk and, although the milk tastes fresh, it fails to froth well.
Thanks,
Dave G.
davidl14
 
Posts: 14
Joined: Oct 14, 2007
Location: Chicago, IL

Postby Beezer on Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:58 pm

I think it's harder to froth milk that has very little fat in it. It tends to blow up into big, stiff bubbles if you don't stretch very carefully. You can get decent microfoam with 1%, but you need to stretch less and start the whirlpool phase sooner. Or you can just use 2% or higher fat milk, which is easy to froth and tastes better.
Lock and load!
Beezer
 
Posts: 918
Joined: Nov 16, 2006
Location: Fresno, CA

Postby julioale on Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:04 pm

If you want try Lactaid 1%. Lactaid make a nice microfoam.
Ale

LMWDP #180
Puerto Rico Baristas Association - Member
User avatar
julioale
 
Posts: 46
Joined: Dec 08, 2006
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Postby davidl14 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:01 pm

Most 1 percent milk froths fine; sometimes I buy a container of 1 percent that doesn't work as well. The taste is fine, but the foam is flat. I'm curious; what's going on?
Thanks again,
Dave G.
davidl14
 
Posts: 14
Joined: Oct 14, 2007
Location: Chicago, IL

Postby desrever on Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:18 am

Here's some science (I googled for "latte foam whey protein casein globules"):

http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available...ed/Levy_thesis.pdf

The author starts with extremely fresh milk and subjects it to a wide variety of parameters (age (lets stand for 1 to 10 days), fat content, lauric acid fortification pre-pasturization vs. post-pasteurization vs. unfortified, pasteurization method (171F @ 15s vs. 210F @ 45s) ). He then froths all combinations, and tests a couple different measures of foam quality (volume and dissipation, and some free fatty acid stuff that I don't understand).

I'd never heard of the lauric acid variable in milk processing ... I'm gonna re-read chapter one (milk) of On Food And Cooking to see if this is talked about.

Biggest differences seemed to be due to the fortification method. Age seems to play a role the less processed the milk is. Surprisingly the pasteurization method didn't seem to make a difference, though it's important to note that he was measuring volume and not taste.

But really, as a consumer, my take-away is that there are things that can be done in processing that might really change frothing performance. We have control over two variables: brand of milk, and age of milk. So use very fresh milk, and if you find a brand that works consistently, keep buying it.

Are you seeing behavior differences between different brands, or within a single brand? If a single brand, then which one?
desrever
 
Posts: 11
Joined: Jan 28, 2008
Location: seattle

Postby davidl14 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:43 pm

Costco's organic 1% is usually fine; Trader Joe's organic 1% is inconsistent.
Thanks,
Dave G.
davidl14
 
Posts: 14
Joined: Oct 14, 2007
Location: Chicago, IL

Postby cafeIKE on Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:32 pm

davidl14 wrote:Costco's organic 1% is usually fine; Trader Joe's organic 1% is inconsistent.
Thanks,
Dave G.


Emphasis added. Milk is organic. Cows eat different feed. All processing is not the same. Different additives are added. Storage from cow to cup can vary enormously.
User avatar
cafeIKE
 
Posts: 3014
Joined: Jun 27, 2006
Location: Woodland Hills, CA

Postby desrever on Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:27 pm

I'd take it up with your grocery store. Their dairy buyer will care about this and might have an explanation.
desrever
 
Posts: 11
Joined: Jan 28, 2008
Location: seattle

Postby patrickinpdx on Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:03 pm

I've noticed some inconsistencies in Organic milk as well. I also noticed it has a different smell.
patrickinpdx
 
Posts: 16
Joined: Dec 02, 2006


Return to Lever Espresso Machines