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Postby HB on Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:16 pm

Agreed... and what else?

Yet another hint: Carefully consider the first and final frames.
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Postby Juanjo on Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:05 pm

Dan,

your first frame by frame critique was well appreciated..
so please.. enough suspense.. ;)


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all I did different is tamp with Espro tamper and clean the shower screen.
Same everything else.
Would be nice to know how close or far am I from the "perfect" pull :P
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Postby morgant on Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:13 am

Still looks to me like the distribution is uneven; back blonds again, channeling is visible and the stream pulls to the right. I think Dan already offered a couple likely scenarios of what could be causing that though.
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Postby farmroast on Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:20 am

ring around the collar? The center is a step behind the edges in each frame
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Postby Psyd on Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:45 pm

HB wrote:Agreed... and what else?

Yet another hint: Carefully consider the first and final frames.


OK, I'll bite.

It looks (and others have described symptoms, but we're going for the root disease, right?) like it may be a tad too coarse, and a bit too updosed, leaving too little headroom and starting side channeling. That, and the propensity to either distribute too much to the handle end of things, tilt the tamp toward the other end, or a teeny bit of both. It could also be attributed a bit to too hard a tamp, but I'd want to see how other remedies fare before changing too much at once.

I'd prescribe a slightly lower dose, a bit finer grind, and a Stockfleths, with a touch more attention paid to how level the tamp is. If that doesn't solve the ring around the collar, I'd start backing off on my tamp.

That's my stab in the dark guesses, Dan, tell me where I left the tracks.
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Postby Teme on Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:12 pm

I'm wondering if the machine (or the grouphead) is level?

The grinder is a K30 and in my experience it has no issues with the back to forward distribution of the coffee particles in the basket.

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Postby HB on Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:07 am

It's subject to interpretation, but here's my read on the second pour: It's an uneven extraction, not much different than the first pour, but much prettier, especially in the second half. That is, the first exhibited obvious channeling from the back-left quadrant. The second pour was a classic donut extraction -- it beads early along the perimeter, the center unevenly begins to fill in, then eventually the surrounding "cone" envelops the middle, ending in what appears to be an orderly extraction.

That's why I look for evenness in the first beading and the following 10 seconds, not the luxurious striping that is frequently oooh'd and aaah'd in still photos of bottomless portafilter extractions. About midway into an extraction, most of the evidence of an uneven pour can be obscured, as was the case in the third frame of the second pour above. There's still possible telltale "puckering" evidence in the last frame, though it could be lighting. I look for indentations in the otherwise symmetric cone and distinct blond perimeter flow mixing with a darker inner flow.

Machines that don't appreciate updosing will complain by pulling a donut. It's guesswork on my part, but I assume the added headspace allows the water to more evenly diffuse; in extreme updosing cases, the grouphead can act as a convex tamper that compresses the center and leaves the edges untouched. Crashing the puck into the grouphead can also break the basket/puck adhesion and shear the quadrant opposite the lock-in engagement point (to check, lock in tightly and remove... is one quadrant thrashed and the rest nearly untouched?). Rough handling and/or tamper knocking can produce side channeling too, though I'm doubtful that's the case here.

Closing caveat: Visual inspection will only catch gross extraction errors. I've pulled visually gorgeous extractions that tasted average and "average looking" extractions that tasted exceptional.
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Postby hperry on Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:58 am

michaelbenis wrote:Hi Lyndon,

I'm particularly fond of Ethiopian single origins


Slightly OT but you might like to try the Caffe Fresco Brown Brindle Ethiopian. I've sure enjoyed it recently.
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Postby michaelbenis on Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:09 am

Very useful observations there from Psyd and Dan, particularly in the light of recent posts advocating dosing up to the shower screen to preserve puck integrity during the piston upstroke.

Thanks for the recommendation, Hal. I may just give that a try even if I am on the wrong side of the pond in good Old England, the country where the transport system stops working when it snows... :D
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