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Rusty '77 La Pavoni Europiccola

Postby darrensandford on Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:27 am

Hi,

Yesterday I collected an old '77 Europiccola from a member of toomuchcoffee forums who didn't really have the time available to fix it up, and it needs a little work.

The problem I have is that the base is severely rusted, and I really need to take the boiler off of the base to be able to replace it (if possible) or at the very least give the old base a coat of hammerite and refit the boiler.

I am trying to remove the boiler, and I am really struggling. I have one of the oil filter removal tools, have given it about 1/2 of a can of WD-40 and it is just locked solid, so I have a couple of questions if anyone can help!

The element (and large boiler-to-base ring/nut) do unscrew anti-clockwise, right? :)

It looks as if someone in the past has tried to remove it with a screwdriver and hammer, and I think they may have gone right through the brass and into the threads below. Does the element screw into the base nut, which in turn screws into the boiler, or does the element screw onto the boiler with the base nut inbetween? If it screws into the nut, can I remove it and replace it with a new-style three-bolt nut and put a new-style element on it?

I have done some searching and found out most of what I need, but I just need to check these points.

Thanks!
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Postby SAS on Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:17 am

Try this video from Orphan Espresso. He uses a spray product from the auto store to remove the boiler from the base.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-rqXSP0M6k&feature=channel_page
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Postby darrensandford on Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:13 am

Thanks for the link!

I had a go at the freeze spray / hammer and screwdriver, but it seems really stuck in there. I think I will find someone with a long breaker bar and have another go with the tool, and if that fails, I think I'll either send it off to a professional to get it removed, or just paint the base with hammerite and call it done.
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Postby darrensandford on Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:31 am

I sent an email to www.espressoservices.co.uk, asking about general parts compatibility. They told me that nothing is compatible with it, and that I should throw it away and buy a new one. Not particularly helpful!

Is it really that hard to find parts for it?
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Postby orphanespresso on Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:55 am

About the only part you can't get is the rubber base. If the element is still working properly then it is a reasonable machine to consider rebuilding.
Skip the long breaker bar....unless you are talking about a 2 footer or so. Avoid the hammer and screwdriver technique unless you can get a really nice direct alignment,,,,the angle you have to use with the base attached does endanger penetration of the brass.
If the paint is gone on the base I would recommend HEAT....play a propane torch around the rim of the elemenbt...with propane this takes some time....around and around slowly and patiently. Once you get it hot, I mean real hot and the propane does not have enough heat to melt the brass but not so hot as to melt the solder at the element terminals, set is aside....no cold shocks or anything, just let it cool naturally to the point of being able to handle it without burns.
Now, using the filter wrench tool, which by the by is called a La Pavoni boiler element removal tool, at least it mentally helps that you think of it in this formal manner, Enlist the help of a willing associate and one person holds the machine base upside down between the knees while gripping the boiler with two hands while the other person operates the wrench. Concentrate all of your thoughts on that wrench boiler connection. Now try to TIGHTEN the element CW even if the slightest bit. this will break it free and try to loosen CCW. If you have gained even a millimeter you can now add a drop of oil on the first thread that wiggle back and forth back and forth until this movement gets a little bigger and bigger and you have worked the oil in the thread. This entire maneuver of course requires a total concentration of your entire bodily force into your arms hands shoulders upper body pectorals and the entire abdomen so don't try it on a revolving stool. The human generated force to remove the boiler element from a 1977 La Pavoni is likely off the scale in Joules but it it well into the causing one to break wind range.
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Postby darrensandford on Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:44 am

Wow, thanks for the information! I'll give that a go for sure.

...and no thanks for getting me funny looks when I read the last sentence here in the office! :lol:
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Postby darrensandford on Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:29 am

...and if this doesn't work, I'm thinking of treating the rust with rust cure or something similar, and keeping the holes around the base as a "feature". I would just need to be careful not to get water in the rubber base, near the electrical connections!
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Postby ademello72 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:42 am

Hang in there, I had a rusted base on my La Graziella (La Pavoni-ish clone), but nothing sandpaper, grinder and a little welder wont fix :D http://sites.google.com/site/antsespressomachines/Home/disassembling-the-la-cara Welcome to the world of vintage lever machine !!!
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Postby darrensandford on Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:58 am

Very nice work!

The problem with my base is that the up to an inch of metal at the bottom of the base has completely corroded away and is completely missing! I can't weld and I don't know of anyone that can, but I am wondering if I can rebuild the missing parts, maybe with fiberglass mat and a bit of filler, then a good few coats of heavy duty paint. I am thinking that as long as I don't throw it around too much, then it should be strong enough to last. There is a little rust around the bottom of the boiler, but I think that it is water that has escaped from the bottom of the sight glass. As long as I treat it, it should be good I hope.

I'll have a go at getting the boiler out before I decide what to do!

EDIT: Hmm... I do know someone that restores vintage cars. Maybe they could help with welding...
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Postby darrensandford on Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:14 pm

Right, I had another go at moving the boiler. It seems to be stuck, but I noticed that the metal ring above it seemed to move. I poked at it, and the old rubber gasket between the boiler and the base flaked away and fell out in chunks.

Problem is that now, that ring seems to spin round without tightening or loosening. Was that ring threaded and now threads have corroded/stripped, or was it just an unthreaded shim between the element and the base?

I am asking because there isn't much point in carrying on if the thread is stripped.

If it is knackered, is there anything I can salvage from it that I could use to build a new(ish) one from parts? The group seems fine, as does the valve, steam arm and sight glass. Will the old group fit a new boiler? It may all just work out too expensive, of course.

Thanks,

Darren
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