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Peppina Marries MiniGaggia

Postby timo888 on Sat May 13, 2006 10:09 am

lino wrote:I do like the idea of a simple, "modern", la peppina, or mini gaggia. I've toyed with some ideas for the simple setup.

Open boiler is ideal in my opinion. Though I would add a PID to it so that it makes temp conrol simple and precise.
If the boiler sits right over the group opening, like the MicroCimbali, then there is very little temp loss out the group.
If physical placement of the grouphead, elements, boiler size, and control sensor were "nailed", it would likely be a very stable, simple group.


To improve upon MiniGaggia with some of Peppina's features:

The group is shaped roughly like a Coca-Cola glass drinking rim side facing down.
The bottom of the Coke glass, i.e. the top of the group, protrudes into the boiler.

b o i l e r

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The top of the group (the bottom of the Coke glass) is ~11mm thick and it has a male thread around the outer perimeter onto which the piston cylinder will screw down.

The top of the group has a ring of holes drilled through it (like Peppina) for water to flow through down from the piston cylinder. At centerpoint, the underside of the group 'cap' is tapped for a small setscrew which is to hold a one-way washer in place.


SPRING

{.....P I S T O N ......}
|..............................|
O.......O........O.......O ingress water holes in piston chamber wall
|.. piston chamber...|
|..............................| Bottom of piston cylinder is female threaded to fit over group cap
|===o====o====| Male threaded brass 'group cap' with ring of port holes from piston chamber
(.....____+____...) | _|+|_ one-way washer held against underside of group cap by a set screw
( ............................) .. ^ group collar is bolted to the underside of the boiler
(G......screen........G) shower screen held in place by a gasket (G)
(.............................)

The shower screen is held in place inside the group collar with a retaining gasket rather than a set screw.

To replace the one-way valve, simply remove the shower-screen gasket and shower-screen, and voila. There exposed to view from below is the set screw and the washer.

58mm group versus 51mm: 58mm gives a shorter piston throw (shorter piston cylinder is possible) making for a slightly shorter machine. But the machine could be temperature-stable even with a smaller group because the group and boiler are integral.

The top of the group which protrudes into the boiler should be well away from the calrod. The group could be brought up to temperature with a flush, like the S1. With group heated only by contact with boiling water there'd be little or no worry of overheated group even on the un-PIDed base model.


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Postby timo888 on Sat May 13, 2006 10:22 am

Is there a functional reason behind chrome-plating brass? Or is that purely aesthetic? If the latter, I'd like the group to be naked brass please.
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Postby timo888 on Sat May 13, 2006 10:45 am

It should be made so it's very easy for the end-user to retrofit the PID kit later on. No need to require the PID kit on the base model. The PID kit could show brew water temp above the basket too.

The boiler should have a (plugged by default) 1/8" NPT female port into which a standard threaded stem thermometer with 2.5" stem (http://www.TelTru.com) could be inserted, for those buyers who don't want the full PID kit but do want to know brew water temp. Maybe the logo could be pried off the face of the machine to reveal the port in the boiler?

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P.S. I've been informed that although the number of the The Beast is 666, the Retail Price of The Beast is $665.95
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Postby mogogear on Sat May 13, 2006 3:57 pm

Mayeb the washer / valve should stay above the dispersion screen - to keep it from getting fouled with ground coffee- or did I miss-read your CAD drawing :?
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Postby timo888 on Sat May 13, 2006 6:15 pm

mogogear wrote:Mayeb the washer / valve should stay above the dispersion screen - to keep it from getting fouled with ground coffee- or did I miss-read your CAD drawing :?


You misread it. (Unmown grass disturbing your concentration :?: )

The dispersion screen goes below the one-way washer and is held in place in the group with a gasket.
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Postby mogogear on Sat May 13, 2006 10:14 pm

timo888 wrote:You misread it. (Unmown grass disturbing your concentration :?: )

The dispersion screen goes below the one-way washer and is held in place in the group with a gasket.
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ALL- Righty... then!!!
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Postby timo888 on Sun May 14, 2006 7:22 am

mogogear wrote:ALL- Righty... then!!!


Hey, not a bad imitation. :)

Happened to see Earth Girls are Easy again recently (the open-boiler Carrey).

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Postby timo888 on Mon May 15, 2006 9:40 am

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Postby mogogear on Mon May 15, 2006 10:39 am



Ok, so you are also a draftsman!! nice! A couple of words that could part of the name keep bumping around in my head

LEVERAGE or Lever-AGE as in the beginning of... :wink: .

and of course from the people that supplied car airconditioning for those without car airconditioning-

ARMSTRONG

Also a thread may be needed to group those with ideas for the ARMSTRONG Consortium???
(LTD- Levers That Dominate)
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Postby timo888 on Tue May 16, 2006 8:33 pm

mogogear wrote:Ok, so you are also a draftsman!! nice!


You think that's good. Take a gander at this:

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