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New Elektra MicroCasa - need initial advice for grind, dose, tamp

Postby DJ Caffeine on Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:07 pm

Had my MCL for three days now. A pound of coffee and 35 grind/dose/tamp combinations later, I'm not convinced I'm getting a good shot. And there is relatively no crema. So sad.

Can someone please get me started with their favorite combo?

Grind:
I have a Rancilio Rocky doserless. I know it is flat burrs (read all about that). I know it is not step-less (read about how to and am planning to trick it out to be a step-less). I know there are better grinders (search for Mazzer Mini in this forum and you'll get the phonebook). But come on, this grinder is worthless? I recently took it apart to clean and re-calibrated the "zero" on the dial. What is a good grind setting on the Rocky for starting point I should use?

Dose:
Using the double filter basket, I'm using not quite three table spoons. 1 tb spoon = 5 grams x 2.8 = just short of 15 grams. What is a good dose amount I should use as a starting point?

Tamp:
Like an would-be espresso snob, I bought one of those auto-click tampers I can set to any weight. I've got it set to 14kg = roughly 30lbs. Is this OK? More or less.

Coffee:
I'm using the Starbucks Espresso blend. Now come on, don't be a SB hater. I lived in Seattle in the early 90s and was drinking shots in the Pike Place market location (their first) long before the rest of the world even heard of StarB. I've got a hook-up at the store and get the freshest beans. And I like the shiney darkness of the beans. And I think Illy tastes awful.

Any favorite combos?
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Postby jsolanzo on Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:19 pm

I'm sorry, but it's the beans. You won't get good crema out of stale coffee. Watch, everyone else is going to say the same thing. It's the beans. Rule of 15s blah blah blah. Would you try fresh beans and see if that would make a difference? I'm no expert but I've experienced this before.

Also, shiny dark beans=over roasted, way past italian/Vienna roast. If you're going to spend a ton of money on espresso stuff, why not spend money on the beans? Read up on the 4Ms in order to produce good espresso.

Also, look at the list of favorite roasters thread.
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Postby DJ Caffeine on Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:48 pm

Surely... will do.

What/where are the "4Ms"? and the Rule of 15s..?
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Postby allon on Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:29 am

http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-guide.html

and

Lesser evil - pods or preground coffee?

Babbie's Rule of Espresso Fifteens:
Fifteen Months for Greens
Fifteen Days for Roasted
Fifteen Minutes for Ground
Fifteen Seconds for Extracted
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Postby orphanespresso on Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:57 am

Get some good beans, set your click-0-tamp to zero, recalibrate your spoon...
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Postby jsolanzo on Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:00 am

Hey doug, what'd you mean by "recalibrate your spoon?"


Thanks
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Postby DJ Caffeine on Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:01 am

Allon - awesome. thanks.

orphanespresso - that makes no sense to me. but thanks.
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Postby jsolanzo on Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:24 am

Grant, Doug meant to take the click thing out of your tamp because the tamp weight of 30lbs does not matter at all. There are basically two sides here, one where they believe in tamping 30lbs and the other, where they only use the tamper to smooth the top of the puck and make it leveled.
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Postby aecletec on Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:32 am

To be fair, that rule of 15 is wildly inaccurate... brewed espresso lasts a lot longer than 15 seconds ;)

While you're having troubles with your espresso, perhaps you'd be better off weighing your dose, measuring (e.g. weighing) your drink volume and telling us the time in which it is brewed. This can be valuable information for troubleshooting and eyeballing it with a spoon isn't really the way to go.
If you are grinding and dosing appropriately the tamp is possibly the least important factor and many like the advice of "grind finer tamp lighter" for levers, but personally I don't find much of a difference with tamping pressure either way.

Stale beans are always going to be a problem and the above information can partially help figure that out.
The MCAL is reported to be capable of excellent shots; the rocky is also reported to be a serviceable grinder; but if you like dark greasy bean taste you probably have overspent for your palate...
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Postby orphanespresso on Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:59 am

Once, while wiling away some time in the grocery surreptitiously changing around the labels on the flavored coffee bean bins we observed that 9 out of 10 big bin bean buyers prefer dark greasy beans. also, it is a known fact that the most popular beer in America is Bud Light...you could look it up. my spoon holds 7 grams, and 30 pounds tamp on a lever machine is about 29 too many,IMHO.
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