Hi:

Apparently these were seen at the recent HOST show in Milan. The 1-group is of particular interest, although it uses 220V. At 2.7 kW, the heating element should keep up with continuous steaming just fine. I don't know if these are hx or not. I'd think a 115V 1-group machine with 2000W heating element would be very cool.

http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/english/tot_piazza.html

-Greg

Beautiful. Bezzera also makes a 1-group, I believe in 110 V:

http://www.bezzera.it/home_ing.html

No photo of the 1-group, but here is a drawing.

The Fioranzato CS looks to be perfectly sized for a kitchen. Color me interested! Maybe 1st-Line will carry them...

I came in here to say this looks like a rebranded izzo. see: http://www.napoliimports.com/prod.../myway/pompei.aspx

on further viewing, the gr construction looks more like san marco - (can't find a pic of an exposed gr to support my assumption, I am just going from parts diagrams. Here is a pic of a modern sm leva http://www.mokatrade.com/Products...arco/85-Leva-2.htm )

gscace wrote:Hi:

Apparently these were seen at the recent HOST show in Milan. The 1-group is of particular interest, although it uses 220V. At 2.7 kW, the heating element should keep up with continuous steaming just fine. I don't know if these are hx or not. I'd think a 115V 1-group machine with 2000W heating element would be very cool.

http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/english/tot_piazza.html

-Greg

In the "benefits" section it's listed as a 110V, so I'm not sure what to think.

http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/engli...iazzasanmarco.html

I believe it uses the same group as my Victoria Arduino which is an HX.

Rocket Coffee wrote:In the "benefits" section it's listed as a 110V, so I'm not sure what to think.

http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/engli...iazzasanmarco.html

I believe it uses the same group as my Victoria Arduino which is an HX.

Is it possible to clarify a bit about the group and HX? I have been looking at the NS/VA for some time and was uncertain about the boiler. I can see the group is fixed onto the boiler and had assumed it was a regular pick-up from the boiler, but then on their parts diagram there are what looks to be pipes going to HX fittings at the bottom of the boiler. Their parts catalogue calls it a HX supply tube but no HX in the diagrams.

I just assumed they used a regular HX boiler, removed the HX and left the HX supply pipes to fill the boiler. the leva was a pick-up supply.

Hang on a minute, just checked the diagram again and the autofil is a different route so maybe it does use a HX. So in that case the pick-up tube off the back of the groups go down into the HX? Interesting.

Paul

Paul_Pratt wrote:Is it possible to clarify a bit about the group and HX? I have been looking at the NS/VA for some time and was uncertain about the boiler. I can see the group is fixed onto the boiler and had assumed it was a regular pick-up from the boiler, but then on their parts diagram there are what looks to be pipes going to HX fittings at the bottom of the boiler. Their parts catalogue calls it a HX supply tube but no HX in the diagrams.

I just assumed they used a regular HX boiler, removed the HX and left the HX supply pipes to fill the boiler. the leva was a pick-up supply.

Hang on a minute, just checked the diagram again and the autofil is a different route so maybe it does use a HX. So in that case the pick-up tube off the back of the groups go down into the HX? Interesting.

Paul

Paul, I can find out from Simonelli in the US if that would be convenient for you. They're a very nice bunch.

-Greg

I'm not sure if these diagrams help...I scanned them from my paperwork.





#48002001 on the first image is the "Heat Exchanger Tube 2Group"

#48002010 on the second image is the "Distributer Heat Exchanger Pipe"

I hope this helps! I have to profess my ignorance on the inner workings of this machine as it relates to the HX set-up.


I would like to learn more about the routing of the HX on my machine (2 Group). I've had it set up for a little more than a month now and only opened it up once to turn the pressure down (1.2bars). I can say that I prefer the shots for the most part from it over the Synesso, Elektra MCaL or the La Scala.

I took note of that lever via some of the links in ideor's HOST thread. BTW - I'm gaa-gaa for those lever handled valves.

Here are two glimpses:

From Reg Barber's Flickr


From another Flickr set

Click the pics to go to Flickr

Hi Paul,

I seem to remember that our local NS rep was saying that the VA machines have a HX group. I'll probably go and check them out at his showroom at some stage, but not for a few months.

Cheers,

Luca