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Postby Psyd on Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:40 pm

Yeah, that could work, but there is very little three-phase in the US that isn't applied to some sort of industry. Mostly the connectors for such things come in large and individual connections, and tapping into it would eventually tick off someone, and probably someone buff and quick to anger. 220V goes to every home (give or take a percentage point) in the US, as two sides of a center-tapped transformer (110V per side). Ignore the center tap and you're right back at the originally transmitted 220V.
And you'd be at 208V off of the three phase, not that it wouldn't work.
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Postby mercurio-milano on Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:54 pm

I always had [or to be honest did myself] a dedicated 220v. outlet installed [same as stove or electric resistance heater voltage], that also serviced a BRAUN grinder / mixer from 'Old Europe'.
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Postby zubinpatrick on Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:24 am

more recent kitchen's may have 220 if you use the two legs of a split receptacle on the counter. This would require changing the receptacle and using a electrician or someone who knows what they were doing. That being said I would do it, and if the 2 110 legs in the receptacle were the same phase one could be changed in the main panel.
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Postby Stuggi on Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:55 am

Easiest thing would be to use a multimeter to first find the live prongs in two nearby outlets, and then measure between them to see if they are on two different phases, and then wire an euro outlet to two US cables. This would probably be very dangerous and probably illegal as well, but it would work. But if you would turn one of the plugs the outlet would be back to 110V...
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Postby Stuggi on Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:56 am

Psyd wrote:Yeah, that could work, but there is very little three-phase in the US that isn't applied to some sort of industry. Mostly the connectors for such things come in large and individual connections, and tapping into it would eventually tick off someone, and probably someone buff and quick to anger. 220V goes to every home (give or take a percentage point) in the US, as two sides of a center-tapped transformer (110V per side). Ignore the center tap and you're right back at the originally transmitted 220V.
And you'd be at 208V off of the three phase, not that it wouldn't work.


208V would most certainly work since in our home the voltage varies from 210V to 225V depending on where you are, induction between nearby phases etc.
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Postby Psyd on Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:25 pm

zubinpatrick wrote:if the 2 110 legs in the receptacle were the same phase one could be changed in the main panel.


This could lead to quite a few difficulties, as kitchen wiring can be share among receptacles. It isn't always, but it is in my kitchen. You'd have to be fairly sure that the split recept that you're considering is home-run back to the breaker with no short stops on the way or beyond the box for both hot leads.


208V would most certainly work since in our home the voltage varies from 210V to 225V depending on where you are, induction between nearby phases etc.


It could be the US English to Dutch translation, but that's what I meant by "And you'd be at 208V off of the three phase, not that it wouldn't work." Sorry about the colloquial double negative. ; >
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Postby Stuggi on Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:31 am

I'm not sure about what you mean by US English to Dutch, but it seems as if I didn't read you post well enough. Seems to happen quite often to me (can I have something to do with the fact that I get to speak English like 2 times per year ^^)...
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Postby Tom@Steve'sEspresso on Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:03 pm

Hmm, I think I'll play it safe for me and my machine and get a transformer. I'll take all these suggestions under advisement. Thanks all.

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Postby donn on Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:36 am

Good thinking! Some of these suggestions were not really serious ... I hope.
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Postby Tom@Steve'sEspresso on Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:19 am

Just an update...After much more research and thought, I decided that it was more cost effective to just swap out the element for a 110. And after a quick reconnect and a Euro plug adapter I'm happy to say that my Pavoni works! There were a few doubts and a few more tweaks to be made( addition of a real fuse) but it fired up on both settings. First thing tomorrow morning I'm zipping over to my friend's wood shop to have him spin me off a nice woodie tamper. Then I can start practicing lever technique. So thanks for the input, however relevant it may have been....
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