I have been looking over the lever group posts once again, to find that there is not much happening. But also observe through emails on our website and our general enthusiasm, that there is actually a lot of excitement about our lever machines. Just what is it about these machines? The espresso, of course.

We are currently using a Conti Comocafe. Much like a La Peppina in function. An open boiler machine....and I sing the praises of the open boiler. So simple and the temperature so easy to plot to get such a sweet cup every time. As a sidebar, the Caravel, makes a cup that rolls the eyes. And we can't let the Faema Faemina out of the kitchen, total Italian industrial art, with a small commercial vibe and once I get the heat mastered, a definite keeper. Having a lot of different machines can create a jack of all trades master of none situation, but time spent with one machine over weeks or months can make a real difference in the knowing of the machine and the espresso.

The Conti is our constant user and I observe that day in and day out, one just gradually, though dosing, tamping grind etc, begins to get better and better shots. Espresso blends, then single origins, and the next time I order beans I'm going for all single origins, just perfect in the open boiler levers. All the nuance of each bean right out there to enjoy.

There's a lot of fine hardware out there and we could scrape up the bucks for a decent HX machine, but for the cost of a Silvia and a Rocky, we are really getting into some fine espresso with our vintage levers coupled with a simple hand grinder, which is a whole topic in itself.

So anyway, we'd just like to know, how's your espresso going? Are you there yet? Where do you go from here? How's it working for you?

No specific problem to solve here, just wondering if anyone else has a philosophical bent on their lever espresso experience.

Doug

Doug,
I miss using a turkish hand grinder in the mornings because I no-longer wander around the garden turning that bloody handle for ten minutes in the early morning. The coffee is unquestionably much better (and lots and lots quicker), but the lifestyle took a slight hit and I'm not always sure I'm better off.

I agree with you that long exposure to a machine (23 years with the same one in my case) gives a certain perspective but for me its not all upwards progress. The quality of my otherwise minimally-measured espresso goes up and down unpredictably; I think you're doing awfully well if you get a continually increasing quality in your coffee. For my part, there are days when I just cannot make a decent cup and then there are days when I wander around the kitchen at 6am going "oh that was so good lets do that again" (which is actually a dumb idea with an Elektra lever, but what the hey). The variablity is one of the things that I like.

I'm really attached to Sidamo or more specifically Yirgacheffe at the moment, a nice sweet coffee. A local roaster has it in stock fairly often and they do a startlingly good toast with avocado and tomato and stuff that makes getting there at the right time of day fairly important.

What I really want is a balance of enjoying a simple, low-tech craft process and enjoying the product of the process. Coffee, bread and pasta have surprising amounts in common.

Greg

Nothing much has changed since the time that video was shot - the kid is older (and has a sister), and I'm about 10,000 miles East and a few miles north. I'm still finalizing an order with Ponte Vecchio to get the 220V parts for the Export, but the Caravel (with a 10 SEK Ikea milk frother) is doing a nice job, especially considering the coffee is whole bean, undated Lavazza. Who knows when it was roasted. But if I can get it to taste good I must be doing something right.

I still need to finalize my Orphan order to get the seals to rebuild the Caravel. One of the great joys of that machine is the ease with which this can be done. Hats off to those unknown Italian designers who thought that an espresso machine should last a lifetime or two.

PC

I love low tech. I love slow food. I love not getting obsessed by things such as PID'd minute temperature or pressure control

An old, ugly, c.1979 3gr carimali lever has graced our kitchen for the past 5 years. I can't see it moving any time soon. It is just too easy to use. During that time, I have rebuilt everything from LM linea to very special 1950's vintage machines. Many of these would be more consistent but where's the fun in that?

My first exposure to lever machines was whilst at uni, drinking terrible coffee from one at a nearby pub. It was a 2gr cimbali. Probably m20. I wonder if they still have it . . . .

peacecup wrote:

especially considering the coffee is whole bean, undated Lavazza. Who knows when it was roasted. But if I can get it to taste good I must be doing something right.

And, since there's nothing more humble than quoting one's self, i have to say the two shots I've pulled on the Caravel since I posted yesterday have been quite good. The seals on the machine seem to be performing better over the past couple of weeks, I guess because of constant use. So now I can really lean on the lever a bit, which is important with older beans. This somewhat confirms my opinion that manual levers are good for squeezing the best out of less-than-great beans.

For daily (or nightly) espresso, however, I really miss the spring lever. As Paul said, they are just so easy to use. I gotta go call PV now and get those parts....

PC

Thanks for the thoughts and posts. When it's late at night, or early in the morning, after the day's work is done and the nightly emails sent to faithful correspondents, I always check the HB and CG forums to see what's up. Too late in the day for espresso for me at least. Good to hear from you.

A two group in your kitchen...must be a big kitchen, or likey a very crowded one.

I agree as well about the spring levers, way easy to use and the espresso just keeps getting better and better, with a few clunkers. That Caravel continues to amaze, but the only problem is that there are two of us here, and we like to sit down together and sip, what is a pretty small cup when you split the shot from a Caravel. In fact it is not possible without making a mess and wasting the shot. The Comocafe has a handle on the front which is handy in that our counter is not level, and even if it was one spout always seems to produce more than the other so I tip the machine back and forth using the handle to distribute the shot. Barb is using a tall cone shaped cup she got at SCAA by being sweet to the Della Corte sales rep, and mine is an Italian bar cup ACF. So I take the left spout which gives to most of the shot and tip her cup some of the best from the early part of the pull. I get a lungo and she a ristretto, and even though I get more, she gets the best part, and then I get the compliments, so it's a win win situation.

With the Caravel, I make her a cup (and therefore now know how to approach the second cup to improve the pull), and I still get the compliments, AND the better cup, or not.

A friend was over for an espresso fix and I split a shot (double pull) on the comocafe 3 ways by running the slow spout as one and then shifting the other two cups in and out of the stream. Felt like the plate spinners on Ed Sullivan, but it turned out that we could all sit and sip at the same time.

Cheers
Doug

Just a short one - I am not quite there yet, but I know I am on headed in the right direction, anyway. The big spring lever somehow seems to suit me and the way I expect things to work.
As long as my arm is good enough to pull, I will probably keep pulling. Flip a switch - naaah. Pull a big lever - yes!
The downside is that this lever needs a reeeaally good grinder. There is much more taste in every shot now than there was with the E-61 single boiler I had before - and that was not a bad machine. I wouldn't say the bad shots taste worse on the Bez. It's just that the good ones taste much better... and a good grind *will* bring out more of the goodness, I just know it.
So, in a year or five, If man is still alive, if woman can survive, I will still be using a lever. For me, there is no turning back, unless maybe I turn back even further and get a 50's Faema or something like that. On the other hand, that Idrocompresso looks mighty good...

zix wrote:So, in a year or five, If man is still alive, if woman can survive, I will still be using a lever.

I heartily agree. If I come across a gravity fed lever, I'd love to try that or find someone to do a lever-lever swap to try say the Gaggia Achille or Bezzera family. The idrocompresso is grand, but I'd settle for a Nuova Simonelli two group spring lever arranged on a sturdy and portable cart. Occasionally, I'd be the barista for a day and the proceeds would go to charity. Boy, can coffee help generate some fine pipe dreams. I don't think the other recreational drugs do that quite so well...

orphanespresso wrote:............. Just what is it about these machines
We are currently using a Conti Comocafe. ............. Having a lot of different machines can create a jack of all trades master of none situation, but time spent with one machine over weeks or months can make a real difference in the knowing of the machine and the espresso.
........ All the nuance of each bean right out there to enjoy.
So anyway, we'd just like to know, how's your espresso going? Are you there yet? Where do you go from here? How's it working for you?

Doug

Doug-
My journey into coffee and espresso started many years ago however it has accelerated within the past year especially with the addition of a europiccola and now an Elektra Leva. I have an HX (NS Oscar) as well as 2 levers- Pavoni europiccola and Elektra Leva. I've had all 3 less than a yr with the Elektra the newest member.

After some time with the Elektra recently I understand full well now your 2 statements:
"....master of none" as well as "nuance of each bean"

With the Elektra I've been stumped. I'm unable to get consistent results compared to either the pico or the Oscar. I do however can clearly tell the "..nuance of each bean" with the Elektra leva. Maybe it is the lower pressure - the flavors are not overpowering compared to the Oscar HX or the pico. My son who seems to have a much more refined palate than me (maybe he's got a fresher palate - no?) stated - it's like munching on a raw bean, you can taste the flavors better. With the leva I notice that the crema and body is much thinner. I wonder if it's time to change the spring on it?

All in all, my answer to your philosophically bent question is - nope, I don't think I'm there yet. But, I think I'm almost there. Maybe in a couple more minutes/miles. Maybe the next sip/cup.

I finally have my old Modified Faema MPN grinder on line and so now have a great doser grinder. The SJ is still my doserless. I find that I still like a doserless when i have a single pull to make. A doser grinder, in my hands, is ok but coffee grind still clumps in humid weather. I still use the big Conti spring lever most every day. I find she is a good companion. I pull ristretto and about an ounce and a half plus for a pull with no preinfusion. I get thoroughly confused when I've read too much about how to pull a perfect shot. Some Info just does not transfer. The Cremina is on loan to a lucky group of professional Baristas so they can learn what a godshot is. They spend all their time on a Synesso. They will have it for a month then they get the LaPeppina. That machine is still the finest ristretto machine I have ever experienced. I just pulled it down from the refridge top last week and after four shots I found the kettle temperature should be at 206°F for the Paradise Roaster's Classico. I was pulling dark creamy godshots in a row for a buddy and myself. i did get a bit buzzed. I haven't used the Europiccola in a year and may get around to rebuilding her later this year.
Each machine requires a different set of skills but any lever, with practice, can be a really enjoyable companion on the coffee journey.
My 1¢
Richard

Doug,
My journey into the world of lever machines began when I won a SAMA lever machine from Ebay. I didn't know what I had because I got an HX machine from a friend for a good price. As a typical American I believed bigger is better. I have a good friend who had a Gaggia that went down, so I loaned him my SAMA. He had a hard time giving it back because he had it dialed in. When I got it back, I began to play with it an I couldn't believe the good shots from that little 45mm basket. I then bought a fine Olympia Cremina 67. This edged out the SAMA. The SAMA now lives with my son-in-law and daughter. They have been trained right, a nice Zass and the SAMA. They are enjoying it daily. My son-in-law travels some for his work and the SAMA goes with him! I missed my spring loaded lever, so I bought an Elektra Micro Casa Leva. This is an exceptional machine. It is well built, a good steamer (wife has to have her milk drinks.), and it pulls exceptional shots. After a 3 year search, I now have the La Peppina that I thought would never be found. It was the nice find from OrphanEspresso. I have only pulled a few shots, but they have been the sweetest espresso shots I have ever had. My preferred method of pulling a double shot is to pull two singles. I think that lever produced coffee should have a class all of its own. I love a quiet morning. The whisper of the handgrinder, a few rumble sounds from the boiler as the machine warms up, and the silence of the pull, make for an idyllic morning for me. Besides once the shot is pulled, the brew is simply divine! I am looking forward to getting my La Peppina dialed in. The other beauty of the lever is the portability. What I love about the Peppina is the stability of the temperature. The fact is the linear column of water found in a lever provides the stability that exceeds all of the home machines with electric pumps that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars more in my opinion. I only have levers in my house now.

Les

Les, I have to say that your post on this long lost thread just about made me weep! The simplicity of the old open boiler is beyond compare and the espresso is as you say, Divine. Sweet and never too hot. In some archaic way it is almost like magic. We live way out in the country without a TV or even a radio in the house during that quiet time that you mention, and yes, the whirr of the hand grinder, crunching and making the grind, all VERY mellow, if you pardon the old hippie term, but that is what it is.

The Microcimbali has appeared here on stage at H-B.com from time to time, but I'm almost certain there's never been a video of an espresso-in-progress on this spring lever, and there's been no report on its vital stats, including the number and thickness of the coils of its spring and the diameter of its piston cylinder, from which brew pressure can be extrapolated. So, Doug, if you ever feel inclined to fill those gaps in our knowledge ...

Also a lever fanatic - the espresso equivalent of the hand-rolled cigarette, only better.....

And thank goodness for enthusiasts like Doug who can get us the bits we need (you are bout to pestered BTW).

Nothing wrong with old hippy words.....

caeffe: Your spring is probably just fine. The Elektra doesn't produce any "froth" cream because the pressure tails off a bit with the spring at the end. How long is taking for you to get your shots through? You may well find you need a slightly coarser ground than your other machines. You will also want to tamp less. In fact you hardly want to apply any pressure at all when tamping the Elektra - in my opinion at any rate.

The Elektra and La Pavoni are great machines, though the way the latter bolts together with bolts on the insides gets on my nerves. Do you know if the Zacconi/Savinelli manual pistons are any different in that regard, Doug?

Cheers

Mike

Nothing wrong with old hippie words at all, and mellow is the perfect description of the meditative quality of the morning espresso ritual. I'm yet another aging hippie who's in love with his manual lever. The Caravel, despite occasional hiccups, has been pulling the most amazing shots. I'm jonesing for either another Caravel or a La Peppina to keep at work (I'm leaning towards trying to find another Caravel because of the thermostat control, unless I decide to PID a La Peppina). I've also started a collection of hand grinders, with the goal of having (at least) one vintage grinder that can do espresso from every German and Dutch manufacturer.

For what it is worth: having both a Peppina and Caravel I have always been able to get better shots from the Caravel. I acknowledge that it might be the user instead of the machine, but the Caravel is my reference for the other machines.

I love mechanical siplicity also. the thing is I look at a normal espresso machine and i still see such a simple device but htey have taken away the soul of the machine and replaced it with an electric pump. there is something very enjoyable a bout doin things for real. I love to cook i love to bake and i love to make a good coffee I always feel un satisfied when things are to easy because of high tech equipment. at work I am all for high tech I love it, anything that makes my job a little easier the better but when it comes to food and drink its gotta be done with some heart.