samgiles wrote:What a bunch of pansies! What's the odd 3rd degree burn when in pursuit of the perfect shot? I have a pre-millenium Pavoni so obviously it's clipless and ridgeless but I thought it might be a good time to share my solution to burnt fingers. It's a rubber thing used for sorting mail. It's taken some of the pain out of it for me

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\Pansy!...

No seriously, that is a way cool solution...and necessary after the 2nd shot, when the PF and basket have really heated up.
But for those of us over 50, a reminder of out next visit to the Dr.

Owning older Pavonis and Creminas I have no clips... but soon after buying them I also bought numerous double filters. The best I and others have found are the Leva A double filters. I bought six of them because they fit both the Pavoni and Cremina 49mm portafilters. The point is that when I make a few doubles I first grind and load the baskets. As I finish the pull on each one I simply dump the basket into the sink and later after the basket cools I remove the contents safely w/o having to bash the basket against anything.

samgiles wrote:What a bunch of pansies! It's a rubber thing used for sorting mail. It's taken some of the pain out of it for me

Unless you have one of those that goes past my elbow, you take that back! ( ; > )
My issue is digging in the yard tall garbage can that I've mounted my bottomless knockbox into. Burns!? I haven't been burned by anything other than actual hot water in years! ; >

Yeah, for me the pain is reaching into a foot and a half of garbage to retrieve the basket that somehow slips past my restraining finger.

hehe. Can't help you with that one but maybe someone who works in a slaughterhaus might have a solution. Or I've seen vets examining cows sometimes... but I guess that's even more equipment. If you find the right glove, I'd recommend buying it new

The La Pavoni Millenium Europiccola I purchased from Williams Sonoma circa March 2008 came with stock PF with basket retaining clip.

Mine also came with a retaining clip, though the spare PF I bought did not have one. However, one thing I found about banging the PF against the knockbox is that the PF will dent as it is made of brass. So I ended up scooping out the spend grounds anyway.