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La Pavoni Eurobar Leva info & pics - need advice too!

Postby garth breaks on Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:30 pm

Howdy folks, I haven't posted for quite some time, but I've certainly been lurking around the lever forum, soaking up all the dirt.
I've been meaning to make a post regarding my Eurobar for some time as I thought people here would likely get a kick out of it and I'm wondering if anyone else out there has one. The back story is that I found it wallowing away in the back of an espresso shop and got it for quite a deal, as no one had expressed any interest in it and it was missing a portafilter. Fortunately for me, I purchased a europiccola from the '60's a while back and managed to mess it up while attempting to pop out the screen, leaving me with a spare PF that fit perfectly.
To date, the machine has worked perfectly, though a few weeks ago the steam wand ceased to vent steam. After a little deconstruction I discovered that what appears to be the bakelite nib which formed the seal had broken off, blocking the release of steam. My stop-gap solution was to swap out the innards from the hot water valve on the other side, which has worked well so far.
Unfortunately, my wand is now leaking (I took it off while investigating and the seals weren't too pleased about it).
For the time being, it's getting by - but I'm realizing that soon I'll need to dive in and tackle some gasket and seal replacements. Ideally, I'd like to replace the innards of the steam valve too, so that both sides are back to new. Any thoughts on where I might be able to find parts or how to macgyver some new ones would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks everyone - I've got another project on the go with a Europiccola I'll be posting some questions about shortly too.

Without further adieu, here's some pics of my reclusive Eurobar (please keep in mind she was partially disassembled when these photos were taken).

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Here's the steam valve and its innards:

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Here's the tip of the inner valve:

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...and here's what it looks like broken off:

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Finally, here's a few shots of the partially stripped machine:

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Postby IMAWriter on Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:16 am

Wow...she appears really solid inside (I'm not an expert on these things, though)
The steam innards looked like solid brass all the way around. As you had an older Pavoni, I assume the basket is 49mm?
Good luck with the rebuild.
I bet Doug and Barb @ Orphan Espresso might have at least some of what you need.
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Postby garth breaks on Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:55 am

Thanks Rob,
You're bang on regarding the 49mm basket size.
I'll be checking out Orphan Espresso tomorrow morning first thing!
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Postby peacecup on Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:00 am

That is a very interesting design - in fact the only manual lever I know of without a direct connection between the group and the boiler. A manual lever with no overheating issues. Only the Caravel can match that, but of course she can't steam.

It looks like a relatively simple mod someone could make on their own, i.e. removing the group from a Pavoni and making an external case for it.

We'll look forward to hearing more about it.

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Postby orphanespresso on Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:51 am

The steam and water valves look like the same ones used on the older Pub models, nice and heavy, eh? Looks like a couple of o rings for the shafts and a flat bibb washer would do it. Not bakelite, just baked! they get so hard over time that it is hard to believe that it started out as fairly soft rubber.
It looks like a Pavoni Europiccola hidden inside the case....nice design. Not HX, at least visually from the pics....is there a water line or do you fill it through the top boiler cap?
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Postby tjkoko on Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:03 am

The unit almost resembles the Olympia Cremina 67.
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Postby garth breaks on Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:08 pm

TJK,
You just made me feel like a proud parent - thanks for the kind words. I'm glad everyone to hear the thoughts of such lever connoisseurs.
I'll take more photos in the next couple of days, as she's completely reassembled at present.

OrphanEspresso,
You're correct - it's top filled, though I found a similar model (non-lever) on this site and it looks like it's plumbed in - http://www.kaffee-netz.de/reparat...-bastelstunde.html
Though not in English, it's got great photos of a solid restoration. My machine is clearly from the same line, it just lacks the pump and plumbing.

Lastly, there's a pressure stat on the bottom (I'll supply pics as soon as I can) and the boiler seems larger than any Europiccola or Professional model, but I'm not certain. I'm working on getting a Europiccola fixed up, as soon as that happens I can take apart the Eurobar to work on it, at which time I'm sure I'll have tonnes of questions for all of you.

Thanks again for all the feedback!
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Postby Bushrod on Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:11 pm

She's a beauty!!!
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Postby IMAWriter on Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:12 pm

peacecup wrote:That is a very interesting design - in fact the only manual lever I know of without a direct connection between the group and the boiler. A manual lever with no overheating issues. Only the Caravel can match that, but of course she can't steam.
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Jack, I thought the PV Lusso was also constructed without direct connection between group and boiler?
I should probably not stick my nose where it doesn't belong :lol:
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Postby Bushrod on Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:40 pm

I think he meant manual lever as opposed to spring lever.
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