Latte Jed wrote:...merged with thread on closely related topic by moderator...
I just picked up a Cappuccino Amore ITALIANSTYLE Model CE 14. (photo of similar machine)
I would like to get operation instructions. Be glad to pay for a copy of the manual.
Perhaps someone out there has experience running one of these machines, and could share a few tips with me.
I assume the brass knob is there to change temperature settings from brew to steaming.
How full do you tamp the basket? Did they make a single basket?
How long do you hold the lever down, and do you assist or slow its return to the top?
Has anyone found parts. My steam wand has a crack.
I'll appreciate any help.
CoffeeGeek has some information:
http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/6638

Hello Chaz,
Please count me among the blessed group with a similar looking machine called the "Enrico" I await his arrival next week from ebay seller!

I would like to be privy to any information you find/found on your "Amore"
I've talked to "Happy Tamper" and we are deciding whether I would be able to machine a new piston for his when he gets the time to measure it.

Thanks for the foto it sure looks like the same machine!
sincerely
Richard / espressme

You sir, are out of control.. and whats with the avatar change to nothing....?

mogogear wrote:You sir, are out of control.. and whats with the avatar change to nothing....?

Well Mo,
Three levers is not so bad. Look at the new guy Paul ( # 84 ) from NZ, a Kiwi with, I think, eleven BIG monsters.

My problem is what to do with my other 50+ machinettas/mokas/steamers/Eggs/Neapolitans/pumps and various goodies since the 1880's. They have to take a back shelf and are jealous of the attention lavished upon the newcomers. The three levers and the Rocky will totally fill one counter.

As to the lack of avatar, The changes made by the HB access provider seem to make it possible only to show the URLs from outside photo storage URLs. It may be a server storage space issue now that the Group has gotten larger.
I haven't yet figured out how to do that....yet!

"Enrico" should show up later this week and I look forward to finding how lucky I am

Enjoy!
Sincerely
Richard /espressme

HB wrote:Oops, I disabled avatar uploading while debugging the site outage issues a couple weeks back. It turned out to have nothing to do with the problem, but I neglected to re-enable it. Sorry about that, avatar uploading is enabled now.

Thanks Dan,
I just tried and it worked! You might put it in a shout!
Thanks for a great site!
sincerely
Richard / espressme

bill wrote:Mitchell,
Looks like these were available with different size groups so be careful if you find a source for parts. The one pictured in Latte Jed's post has a diameter much larger then yours. The 58mm tamper I use with my Futurmat was much to small.

Hello Bill,
You seem to be correct:
The makings on this machine are "Italian style CE-12." The Instructions are "Enrico." Here is one. It is humungous.
Those are steam toys and a pump in the background.

The basket with it is LaPeppina 45mm, the big ma-moos are 68mm.

Enrico 68mm, Hamilton Beach 58mm, LaPeppina 45mm.

I think one could run a restaurant with one. Only a 12 cup boiler though.

Couple of shipping dings but the mechanics seem ok. Maybe time will slow down a bit soon and I can clean and check it out.

Have a great week
Sincerely
Richard / espressme

Sorry, my Amore has a faulty/non working thermostat, so it's been retired to the corner while I work with other machines.
I'm kind of fond of it since it was my first lever, but I had to keep an eye on the pressure gauge and switch it on and off to keep
it in the right temperature range and safe. And, yes, it has the huge 68mm basket. Never did find a proper tamper for it.
Earlier posters mentioned having a instruction manual, which I would like to see.
Notice the group head is different from the Enrico.

Seems these amores are a finnicky bunch. Oversized portafilters with no tampers available, faulty thermostats, corroded pistons, inexistant manuals, different shapes, different ornaments... And when they are working you have to watch out for explosions.

You just gotta love em.

I still cant get mine to work but it is still my amore.

Hey Richard, I found the piston and after my exhibition begins this weekend we can arrange what to do with it.

Congratulations Richard- Enrico looks great!!

Latte Jed wrote:Sorry, my Amore has a faulty/non working thermostat, so it's been retired to the corner while I work with other machines.
I'm kind of fond of it since it was my first lever, but I had to keep an eye on the pressure gauge and switch it on and off to keep
it in the right temperature range and safe. And, yes, it has the huge 68mm basket. Never did find a proper tamper for it.
Earlier posters mentioned having a instruction manual, which I would like to see.
Notice the group head is different from the Enrico.

Hi Latte Jed,
Aha! yours appears to be a lever spring action machine and the "Enrico" is a direct lever machine. The small basket is for 1 or 2 dt cups ( 2oz. ea.)and the large for 4 to 6 dt cups or 8-12 oz. total. ) of strong brew! The one I have may have a pressurestat, but the instructions seem to indicate that one must vent steam ( false pressure) to keep the needle in the brown( below 1bar. Green ( 1 -2 bar )only for the steaming and red ( JC! ) is low water.=vent steam and fill the boiler. Seems about the same routine as a LaPavoni Professional.

I don't have a clue as to what the brass knob on the left of yours is for.
Could it be a pressurestat/temperature control? It seems near enough to the switches. The top cup tray comes off easily and the two screws hold it to the boiler through a rubber drip gasket. Put the boiler cap back in or stuff paper towel into the fill before removing or replacing the screws! ( don't ask me how I know. ...) Then you could see what it is connected to. My gadgetry is on the bottom of the boiler and seems much like that seen on the boilers of the later LaPavs.

Boiler and element are Stainless Steel ( Inox)

The boiler cap on mine has a safety / overpressure vent valve built into its long shaft and vents into the fill funnel. Bye the way, the instructions say to drain it if it will not be used again that day. Use a suction bottle with a long hose! Do not tip the machine over.

Maybe a search for Timmo888 and LaPeppina would locate some decent directions for that similar but much smaller spring lever machine.

I do make tampers, but no material I now have is 2-½" in diameter. Will wait and order some when I get the monster working. I do need a new portafilter gasket at least as this one is way hard and I don't trust the very few degrees of PF turn I get to hold under pressure! I shall start cleaning and inventorying when my life slows down a bit.

PM me and I'll find time to copy and send these instructions for you. It may be the weekend though..
Sincerely
Richard
PS, I have a 5" brass eagle in the studio at school and will she look cool just 'sittn there all cocky like!

happytamper wrote:Seems these amores are a finnicky bunch. Oversized portafilters with no tampers available, faulty thermostats, corroded pistons, inexistant manuals, different shapes, different ornaments... And when they are working you have to watch out for explosions.
You just gotta love em.
I still cant get mine to work but it is still my amore.
Hey Richard, I found the piston and after my exhibition begins this weekend we can arrange what to do with it.

Now that is a good thing, I need something I can control for a change!!! And, I do mean machine it!:lol:

mogogear wrote:Congratulations Richard- Enrico looks great!!

Thanks guy, Its folks like you that try to keep me sane AhahaaahaaaaaAAA
SeeYa real soon!
Sincerely Richard

recdotcoffeedothack wrote:I have a factory manual here: I'll scan it in the next few days and then can email it to you and anyone else interested.
The model I have is the model displayed earlier in this thread.

Gary

I also recently purchased a "Italianstyle" Ce 14 C on Ebay and do not have a manual. This is my first lever machine and I am having trouble using it. I'm guessing it will need work which I am bummed about. I see someone with a similar one above (the one shown all taken apart) I'm going to attempt disassembly to see what I find. When I try to Pull a shot the lever doesn't want to move and I don't' get any water. The steam works great and thermostat seems to be functioning properly. Any Ideas?

espressme wrote: I don't have a clue as to what the brass knob on the left of yours is for.
Could it be a pressurestat/temperature control? It seems near enough to the switches.

I remember reading somewhere that some of these Italianstyle models had a dual power heating element, like some of the very old Pavonis. Switch to higher power for steam.

Regards
Timo

Milloretta wrote:I also recently purchased a "Italianstyle" Ce 14 C on Ebay and do not have a manual. This is my first lever machine and I am having trouble using it. I'm guessing it will need work which I am bummed about. I see someone with a similar one above (the one shown all taken apart) I'm going to attempt disassembly to see what I find. When I try to Pull a shot the lever doesn't want to move and I don't' get any water. The steam works great and thermostat seems to be functioning properly. Any Ideas?

The forgoing Big brass machine is a Italianstyle CE-12 " Enrico It has a 68 mm PF and is a direct pull machine. There is another that is a spring machine and sometimes goes by Ce-14. and has a 49 mm basket I believe.

If you bought the BIg copper one from ebay Ebay#180043909434 for about $300 that is the same as mine.
I have feelers out to find parts and instructions.
Most of these are old enough to need new seals and mine won't seat the PF.

Latte Jed's above is the Spring version and is the CE-14 I think. Which is yours?
If like Latte Jed's The lever must be pulled to cock the spring and then let loose to allow the spring to make the shot.

If, it is somwhat like "happy tamper's" the first in thread, There is a secret to taking it apart and You would do well to read his posts! The Italianstiyle seems to be the same as the Amore with a lot of sheet metal added!
Please send us a photo!!
Thanks
Richard, Espressme

Milloretta wrote:I also recently purchased a "Italianstyle" Ce 14 C on Ebay and do not have a manual. This is my first lever machine and I am having trouble using it. I'm guessing it will need work which I am bummed about. I see someone with a similar one above (the one shown all taken apart) I'm going to attempt disassembly to see what I find. When I try to Pull a shot the lever doesn't want to move and I don't' get any water. The steam works great and thermostat seems to be functioning properly. Any Ideas?

Milloretta,

If your piston is "semi-seized" you might try inverting the machine and pour some boiling water into the dispersion screen. It will soak down to the piston face and then around the piston. This will wet the piston rings. The rubber rings can really get locked on to the walls of the cylinder after sitting in contact a long time. A cylinder that is probably coated with old coffee oils etc. This might be worth a try and free your piston up.

Re the CE-12:

New PF gasket sourced and installed.
Machine cleaned.inside and out.
Pressure gauge works.
Steam wand valve is ok.
Pressurestat hysteresis is really bad, heats great, but very little or no recovery 0.
Piston upper "V" gasket leaks ( thank gosh it didn't blow!!! I need 3!):shock:
Still no replacement switch. Will try Careri Mon. Both sides work but the cover is cracked on the brew side.

The piston is the Zamac / zinc casting and I am fortunate in that it doesn't have any corrosion
The group comes apart again! Nothing new!
That's all for now!
enjoy
Richard / espressme

Is this Enrico??

mogogear wrote:Is this Enrico??

Hi Mo,
Yup, it is Enrico.
Still to come:

Is the inside of the group head too damaged to continue?(severe corrosion after cleaning. If the piston didn't corrode, apparently the group interior would pit badly!) ( brake hone to the fore, and / or tin plating.)
1. Are 55mm "V" seals still available in food friendly materials? ( McMaster Carr {Chicago} has many types of "V" seals and "O" rings)
2. Is the double switch available in NOS? Or, is it replaceable with another similarly sized unit?
3. Will the pressurestat rebuild or clean?

And, most importantly, will he make a reasonable brew of espresso. First pull showed a possibility of success, an ancient old grind made a 4 oz. dark brew with a bit of crema.
This humongous old machine seems to be a home mealtime unit to heat water for drinks with the wand, and make coffee and milk drinks for the family. The boiler only holds about 600ml usable.
Another few weeks and another report will come.
Best regards to all!
Richard / espressme
PS, It looks like I may have found a way to duplicate many types of stainless steel dispersion screens.

espressme wrote:PS, It looks like I may have found a way to duplicate many types of stainless steel dispersion screens.

Give this tidbit its very own thread, laddie

timo888 wrote:Give this tidbit its very own thread, laddie

Hi Timo,
The boss (H-B)already put these two together from separate threads for some reason.
Perhaps:
The "Amore" came in two styles, direct lever and spring.
The "Italianstyle" also came in direct lever and spring.
"Enrico" was somewhere in left field playing football!
All had some models with 68mm baskets.
I'm totally confused! Any one else?
Perhaps sorting into direct lever and spring lever?
Or badged "Amore" and Badged "Italianstyle" and badged "Enrico" All made by the same folks and imported by different folks at different times with different sheet metal or none! And, at different times to different specifications. And different model numbers reflecting the confusion!:wink:
Whew!
What now!
richard / espressme
PS there is now a Richard in the threads so this long involved signage will have to continue. Or, a richard may show from time to time.