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Gaggia Factory with decreasing steam pressure

Postby Javier on Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:43 pm

Hey guys,

For the past year or so I have noticed a significant decrease in steam pressure from my Gaggia Factory. The boiler pressure is still factory set at 0.75 Bar (i.e., I have not changed the boiler pressure). In an effort to resolve this issue, several months ago I cleaned up the innards of the machine using vinegar, and made sure to ran some of the vinegar through the steam wand (followed by good rinsing with plenty of filtered water). That did not resolve the problem.

I always maintain the steam wand tip clean, and always use water from the Brita pitcher. There are no signs of mineral deposits inside the boiler or around the heating element.

So, any ideas on what could be causing the decrease in steam pressure?

Thanks in advance!

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Postby orphanespresso on Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:15 am

Are you saying that the pressure is a verified .75 bar (you have the model with a manometer?) and you have less apparent steam volume or less steam force? I would make a theory that if you have a pressure gauge that the gauge has become inaccurate (since the machine has no vacuum breaker the needle will be pulled down against the pin at 0 on the gauge and will give a higher reading than the actual reading). If you have a reference gauge you can test this and then adjust the needle on your gauge to match. It sounds like the boiler pressure is something less than you desire and not a complication of scale or other issues....which you do not have. You can also increase the pstat setting and do a temperature test using a styrofoam cup and thermometer on the group as a general, but somewhat inaccurate way of getting the pressure reset. Be careful with the pstat resetting if you have the pstat with the plastic setting ring.
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Postby Javier on Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:44 pm

Hi Doug, thanks for your message. Yes, the pressure is around 0.75 bar (sometimes a little bit higher) at the top of the heating cycle. To answer your questions, the machine has less steam force. My Gaggia Factory is the model with a pressure gauge. Even if the manometer has become inaccurate, I have never changed the factory-set boiler pressure. Which is why I am concerned about the noticeable decrease in steam presssure.

When I have the chance, I will try to increase the boiler pressure. Thanks for your reply!

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Postby Psyd on Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:49 pm

Javier wrote:So, any ideas on what could be causing the decrease in steam pressure?


Didja recently move from a mountainous region?

I'd bet money on a clogged tip. Clean with a pin, and root around with a toothpick tip, adn tell us what happens.
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Postby Javier on Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:20 pm

Hi Psyd! No, I did not move from a mountainous region :D. And I have removed and cleaned the steam wand tip with a needle and toothpick more than once.
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Postby cas99 on Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:44 pm

Javier wrote:For the past year or so I have noticed a significant decrease in steam pressure from my Gaggia Factory. The boiler pressure is still factory set at 0.75 Bar (i.e., I have not changed the boiler pressure).


Javier,
This problem seems to be going around. My Gaggia Factory was doing exactly what you describe. Last night I guessed (correctly) that there was a deposit build-up clogging the short p-stat tube that runs between the inside boiler and the p-stat beneath the boiler element, and the element wasn't getting the re-cycle info it needs to maintain pressure correctly. The deposit is most likely within the boiler where the short tube enters and extends a bit above the boiler bottom. The good news is that you probably do not need to remove the p-stat tube from the element/boiler bottom to clean it.

To see if this is the problem:
1) Remove the screw holding on the plastic bottom;
2) Using two 17mm wrenches carefully unscrew the tube where it joins the p-stat (not where it joins the element - leave that alone);
3) mark the p-stat contacts and wires so you can remember which wire goes where before removing the p-stat;
4) set the machine cross-wise on a heavy baking dish that won't rock (I used a rectangular pyrex) so that any water draining out the tube drains into the pan and not your counter top, and your machine electricals are above the water;
5) pour a cup or so of plain water (enough to get above the union where the tube extends above the boiler bottom) into the boiler tank and see if water runs right through, not at all, or only drips.
If the water doesn't run right through, the p-stat tube is clogged with deposits.

If it only drips or doesn't run at all:
1) Heat 1 cup of descaling liquid (I used white vinegar) in the microwave in a pyrex till on the verge of boiling: using a funnel pour this into the boiler through the top;
2) Leave it stand for an hour, agitating the machine every so often; shine a light into the tank: you should see little bubbles if the descaling liquid is dissolving the scale around the union where the short tube penetrates the element/boiler bottom. After an hour check to see if water has drained.
3) after an hour the machine should be cool enough to handle; otherwise use an oven mitten;
4) On a pad, with the tube tipped towards the steam wand side (to avoid damaging the switch or sight tube), slide the copper wire up the tube from the bottom side. Probably this will increase the flow and little pieces of deposit and cloudy liquid will flow out.
5) Repeat the whole process till water runs freely through the tube.
6) swab the inside metal (not electricals!) with a bi-carbonate mixture to neutralize effects of any descaling acid that may have splashed onto the chrome;
7) Gently clean the round compression end of the copper tube with a NON-abrasive cloth); reassemble the p-stat and machine.
8 ) flush two or three times to get the descaling liquid completely out of the machine.

Fill the machine and see what happens. Mine worked perfectly thereafter, and I did not need to fiddle with the p-stat adjustment.
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Postby Javier on Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:23 am

Cas99, thanks so much for your response. I intend to follow your advice within the next few days. Thanks for detailing the procedure. By the way, my family name is from Asturias, Spain. Saludos!
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Postby cas99 on Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:26 am

Javier,
You are welcome. (Our house is in El Sueve close to Cofiño (Parres). Which part of Asturias is your family from?)
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Postby Psyd on Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:13 pm

cas99 wrote:(Our house is in El Sueve close to Cofiño (Parres). Which part of Asturias is your family from?)



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Postby Javier on Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:58 pm

cas99 wrote:Javier, You are welcome. (Our house is in El Sueve close to Cofiño (Parres). Which part of Asturias is your family from?) Charles


Charles, PM sent.
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