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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by Dr Jim on Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:27 pm

The bulk of this message was originally posted to alt.coffee, but since it appears to have dropped off into Usenet purgatory, and it represents an interesting side-commentary to the Micro-Casa technique thread, I've been inspired to post it here:

Towards the end of Enrico Fellini's 'The Rehearsal' - there is a scene in a
busy bistro. Watch carefully as the very professional barista pulls a shot
from a lovely 3-group side-lever Gaggia machine. Notice that he pulls the
lever down and holds it for pre-infusion, then he rapidly lifts the
lever up a few inches and pulls it back down into preinfusion and holds it for
about 10 seconds more before releasing the lever to complete the pour.

This 'double-pump' move was frequently used on this vintage of commercial
lever machine - the theory behind it being that if you initially saturated the
puck and allowed it to swell, and put in another charge of hot water
then you'd get rich, syrupy 'mouse-tails' during the initial pour.

I've often wondered if the design of the E61 grouphead with its preinfusion
chamber wasn't supposed to mechanically emulate the classical barista's
double-pump maneuver?


I wondered if the fluid dynamics of the commercial machine's relatively flat and shallow 58mm puck was different from the tall and narrow 45mm Ponte Veccio basket, and after burning my way through nearly a pound of home roast and tasting a fair number of double ristretto shots (buzz, buzz, buzz) from my commercial and PV Lusso machines can say that this technique appears to be equally applicable to both 58mm and 45mm spring machines. Sadly, I don't believe that this move is applicable to Pavoni or Olympia direct-acting lever machines, because once you've started the pour you won''t introduce a further water charge by lifting the lever and risk fracturing the puck by pulling the lever up.

Ironically, while rather dramatically intensifying the flavors and body of the shots, this technique also does appear to significantly diminish crema production, especially early in the pour. Also, as a point to note, the same vintage baristas would not collect any of the pre-infusion drips, claiming that "They are bad liquor, very bitter!" and would sometimes not put the cup under the spout until the first drops had merged to make true 'mouse-tails.'

I must confess that I've not tried this trick, as I'm far too cheap and greedy not to want guzzle every drop ....

Anyway, do go and rent 'The Rehearsal' it's an interesting commentary on Italian life and politics in the early 60's, and you get a free espresso tutorial from a 'golden-age' barista at no extra charge.

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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by peacecup on Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:13 pm

Dr. Jim,

Just the post I've been waiting for. I've been developing a hypothesis very much along the same lines as yours re: the difference between a 58- and a 45-mm group. The surface-area-to-volume ratio differs, and I wondered if the relatively deep basket on the 45 was somehow effecting the quality of the espresso. I'm anxious to try the "Fellini" technique, and will do so this AM. I confess, however, to having developed a taste for both the flavor and dose of the Ponte Vecchio "microsolo espresso".

By the way, what volume espresso do you get with the Lusso, either one or two pulls? I consistently get 0.5 oz single pulls on the Export. One wonders why the designers chose such a small group, although the Riveria has the same (they may be one and the same, since there appears to be a complex history behind the Ponte Vecchio brand).

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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by kbuzbee on Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:48 pm

Dr Jim wrote:Sadly, I don't believe that this move is applicable to Pavoni or Olympia direct-acting lever machines, because once you've started the pour you won''t introduce a further water charge by lifting the lever and risk fracturing the puck by pulling the lever up.



Jim, I'll have to rent the movie to see how this is being done but it doesn't sound dissimilar to how I pull an over dosed shot on my Europiccola. I lift the handle full and hold for 2 secs, lower it ~2 ", slowly raise it back, repeat and pull. I don't have a naked portafilter to watch every hole but the crema is rich and deep brown. The coffee is sweet and full. Pour volume is under 2 oz, anywhere from 1 oz to 1.5 depending on the age of the coffee (mostly)

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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by srobinson on Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:27 pm

I think my concern with this technique would be relieving the pressure of the pull so early in the process. I would assume that in a commercial setting this was done to eliminate waste at the end of the pull....thus they had it grooved to do a half pull then a full pull which would stop right at blonding stage. I much prefer a full first pull followed by a short second pull to try and keep consistent pressure on the puck on a non-commercial lever.
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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by kbuzbee on Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:50 am

srobinson wrote:I think my concern with this technique would be relieving the pressure of the pull so early in the process. I would assume that in a commercial setting this was done to eliminate waste at the end of the pull....thus they had it grooved to do a half pull then a full pull which would stop right at blonding stage. I much prefer a full first pull followed by a short second pull to try and keep consistent pressure on the puck on a non-commercial lever.


I've tried doing it in that order. I found just the opposite. Since the puck is only being (sort of an extended) preinfused during these small "pre pumps" (no coffee is actually pouring yet) I find I can then use one constant downstroke to actually make the coffee. I'll revisit doing it after the pump to re-compare. Thanks.

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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by peacecup on Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:09 pm

Hats off to Dr. Jim! As I suspected, the Fellini method is just the answer I was looking for with the Ponte Vecchio. I'd been enjoying the ½ oz., one-pull solos that I was getting, but I had the sense that they were inherently over-dosed (i.e. the single basket holds a bit too much coffee for a ½ oz. of water). All eight shots I've pulled since I read Jim's post have been single-basket solos using the Fellini pull (I wish we knew the name(s) of the barista(s)). All eight have produced 3/4 oz. solos that taste (and look) better than my one-pull ½ oz. solos. I think 3/4 oz. is probably just the right size for the dose in a 45-mm single basket.

I have to agree with Ken that the small pump at the beginning does not appear to damage the puck, at least with the single basket. When I was trying full first, and partial second pulls with the double basket I was getting cracks in the puck, so I'm anxious to see if the Fellini pull will remedy this.

One last observation is that this method seems to make the pull more sensitive to grinding, dosing, and tamping - I suspect the extra time and water tend to more fully saturate the puck. This must cause the puck to swell more, making it more pressure sensitive (maybe this also prevents puck damage?).

Thanks to all on this forum for such interesting discussions, and for helping to me improve my lever espresso at a much faster than would have otherwise been possible!

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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by simons1 on Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:32 pm

kbuzbee wrote:Jim, I'll have to rent the movie to see how this is being done but it doesn't sound dissimilar to how I pull an over dosed shot on my Europiccola. I lift the handle full and hold for 2 secs, lower it ~2 ", slowly raise it back, repeat and pull. I don't have a naked portafilter to watch every hole but the crema is rich and deep brown. The coffee is sweet and full. Pour volume is under 2 oz, anywhere from 1 oz to 1.5 depending on the age of the coffee (mostly)

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ken-i read with interest row you use your europiccola.i have mine for about a year now.i'm still having problems with the crema (i can't say its rich or deep), and i dont get concistent shots.i think my toubles are with the prssure or/and the temperature.i'm using a fine grind in the single portafilter.sometimes the pull is very hard to make and i use a lot of force,lowering the lever.i dont think this action is in the benefit of the machine.i want to try your pull:can you explain what you meen by"reapat and pull"?also if you have any other suggestions i'll be happy to hear.
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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by kbuzbee on Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:17 pm

simons1 wrote:ken-i read with interest row you use your europiccola.i have mine for about a year now.i'm still having problems with the crema (i can't say its rich or deep), and i dont get concistent shots.i think my toubles are with the prssure or/and the temperature.i'm using a fine grind in the single portafilter.sometimes the pull is very hard to make and i use a lot of force,lowering the lever.i dont think this action is in the benefit of the machine.i want to try your pull:can you explain what you meen by"reapat and pull"?also if you have any other suggestions i'll be happy to hear.
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Sure Simon, I was doing the same thing as you (but with the double basket). Malachi suggested I loosen the grind. I did (1/2 turn on my Zass) and way increased my tamp pressure. Now I lift the lever, listen for the water to enter the group, lower it a bit (maybe 2", no more), slowly raise it (a bit more water), lower it the same 2", raise it one more time (still nothing coming out) and lower it all the way.... I start getting coffee about 1/3 of the way down, it's almost all dense rich foam (crema).At this grind, without the added tamp pressure coffee would have started out during the initial preinfusion. Let me know how that works for you.

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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by simons1 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:01 am

kbuzbee wrote:Sure Simon, I was doing the same thing as you (but with the double basket). Malachi suggested I loosen the grind. I did (1/2 turn on my Zass) and way increased my tamp pressure. Now I lift the lever, listen for the water to enter the group, lower it a bit (maybe 2", no more), slowly raise it (a bit more water), lower it the same 2", raise it one more time (still nothing coming out) and lower it all the way.... I start getting coffee about 1/3 of the way down, it's almost all dense rich foam (crema).At this grind, without the added tamp pressure coffee would have started out during the initial preinfusion. Let me know how that works for you.

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thank you ken for your prompt answer.i'm beginning to try to find the good grind.i'll let you know the progress.
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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by ladalet on Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:07 am

Always game to try a new technique, I thought that I would try to adapt this Fellini technique to my Olympia Cremina. Since my Cremina is not spring loaded, it operates in reverse to a spring loaded machine. For example: instead of pulling the lever down and holding it for preinfusion, I lift the lever up and hold it for pre-infusion. So I just reversed the operation described in the Fellini technique. I had great success adapting this technique to my Cremina. Crema was denser and and more abundant. The shot was also a little more syrupy and had a little richer flavor. I was actually kind of surprised that it made a difference let alone for the better. I have pulled about 8 double shots each a little better than the one that came before as I fine tune this technique. Here is my version of it (I am skipping the normal steps--grinding, tamping, etc. . . -- and only including the novel steps):

The total pre-infusion time should still take about 10 seconds.
1) with the portafilter loose in the group, lift the lever to just before the point water enters and then lock in the portafilter. This eliminates damage to the puck on the initial lift.
2) Continue to lift the lever until you feel water begin to flow into the group and start timing your 10 second pre-infusion.
3) carefully continue to lift the lever to the top and pull down just until you feel resistance and lift quickly back up to the top
4) Again, pull down just until you feel resistance and a little further just until a couple of drops of coffee drip out of the portafilter, and snap the lever back to the top.
5) After a full 10 seconds has gone by, begin first pull. Pull the lever a little less than 1/2 the way down and then snap it back to the top. Normally I would pull down about 3/4 of the way, lift, and then begin my second pull to yield two 1oz shots. With this method I only pull the lever down a little less than half way down before I lift to get two 1oz shots. Results may vary.
6) finish your second pull
7) enjoy

I just realized that this is actually a triple pump rather than a double pump. I suppose that you could continue the pull at the second pump (step 4) and it would be closer to the Fellini technique. I will try this tomorrow morning and report how it works. I guess the only real important thing is "what makes a better cup" rather than if it adheres rigorously to a technique. Experimenting is fun.

Let me know if this works for any of you using non spring loaded lever machines.
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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by simons1 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:44 pm

kbuzbee wrote:Sure Simon, I was doing the same thing as you (but with the double basket). Malachi suggested I loosen the grind. I did (1/2 turn on my Zass) and way increased my tamp pressure. Now I lift the lever, listen for the water to enter the group, lower it a bit (maybe 2", no more), slowly raise it (a bit more water), lower it the same 2", raise it one more time (still nothing coming out) and lower it all the way.... I start getting coffee about 1/3 of the way down, it's almost all dense rich foam (crema).At this grind, without the added tamp pressure coffee would have started out during the initial preinfusion. Let me know how that works for you.

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hello ken
ok.i just made a wonderfull espresso with the double basket.with the single basket,i didn't notice any change with this method.i filled the basket with 15 grams of coffee(for 2 cups).what is the quantity for 1 cup using the double basket? i tried it with about 7 grams but the result was a coffee without body.
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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by kbuzbee on Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:39 pm

simons1 wrote:.what is the quantity for 1 cup using the double basket?


Hi Simon, I don't weigh the coffee, I fill the basket til it's full over the top with loose coffee. Then I distribute it with the base of my thumb. At this point the coffee forms a slight "bowl" in the portafilter with the outside edge at the rim. Once I tamp it's maybe <1/4" below the rim and level. It took me a while to pick the right amount of coffee so experiment but I tend to error on the side of too little rather than too much. When I do, the pull is thin and sour. I can tell before I ever taste it.

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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by ladalet on Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:39 pm

Well, I have pulled several shots while starting my first pull on the second pump (step 4 in the above post) with less desirable results. Going back to the method outlined above seems to work dramatically better for some reason. I really do not know why. It must just pre-infuse better? Bottom line, I get repeatably better results over the standard pull I use in my Using the Olympia Cremina post or using the double pump Fillini like method. Beginning the first pull on the third pump seems to be the method that is working best for me.
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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by edis on Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:59 am

Wanted to share my experience with La Pavoni Professional, used here for over year now - this one is with larger boiler and pressure meter, otherwise similar to Europiccola. It is true, that for good shot initial limited meeting of coffee with hot water does good. That way you have coffee warmed and ready for steady main shot, that is going to extract the juice, you are after. If you expect to have first full pull to do thing, it will not work that way, since initial meeting of coffee and water will waste part of time from the shot to heat coffee into ready state, where you'll get only by ending shot. While subsequent time to proceed with remaining additional action will end in coffee heated beyond desired point. Certainly, desired amount of coffee and proper grind (for me good grinder setting can differ for particular beans, too), plus tampering should all balance into such extractable unit, that would provide right mix of brew strength, correct resistance to pressure, while given exposure to certain amount of passing water. Lever resistance is one of things to be felt while judging success of shot made. You have it resisting, but still getting trough via applied effort.

I am sceptical about broken puck stuff, read here, though - essentially, unit is strong locked by PF, little place for any move is possible (disposed coffee is here always pressed solid, no break apart ever), and even if there would happened cracks, application of water under lever pressure over whole top surface of coffee portion would overweight theoretical possibility of water to drip trough crack or several). So, I ruled out any care about broken pucks quite early.

With my machine, it is known accumulated heat to be the bigger problem - you have to be careful when making subsequent shots (also, keeping at bay their timing), as things tend to stay way hotter, than on first processing. As suggested elsewhere, running cold water trough PF helps restore balance. Perhaps smaller boiler of Europiccola results in less suffering from that character. Otherwise, my beloved La Pavoni is making good partner and exactly controllable, I would dream any machine to be.
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Link to "Fellini does espresso ..."by edis on Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:18 am

simons1 wrote:what is the quantity for 1 cup using the double basket? i tried it with about 7 grams but the result was a coffee without body.


Hi, Simon - I believe, you ultimately cannot use double basket for the amount of coffee, designed for one cup. Comparing holed bottom of baskets, you will notice they are of different size. This is crucial to play along proper resistance of tampered coffee, which is another important factor. You fill any basket full and slightly over before tampering, you get good free edge for locking, after tampered. If grind was properly fine, you get that resistance, you were after. Slight correction can be achieved by keeping to the rule of finer grind/harder tampering = lesser amount of coffee for the similar resistance.

Myself, I find single basket way more sensitive to the preparing (naturally, bigger bottom surface of double is more forgiving to fluctuations), however, it is single basked, that is used here for one person - it also helps build feel of proper preparation better, because of mentioned sensitivity.
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