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Postby herman on Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:42 pm

bsafnuk wrote:Has anyone come up with the cause of these bubbles? I am getting the exact same problem with my Pavoni. Somehow the group is not expelling all the air at the top of the stroke - I know this because the lever is quite soft for the first part of the pull.

Anyways, I am baffled as to what is going on - I have brand new seals on the piston, the handle is installed right side up. The bubbles appear regardless of freshness of roast (both with coffee roasted 2 days ago and with Illy preground coffee). The only variable I haven't ruled out is replacing the gasket where the piston shaft leaves the group. However, I cannot envision how a problem with this gasket would lead to air in the cylinder. There are no obvious signs of problems here (no water leaking out the top, etc.)

Anyways, if someone has some suggestions, I would be very grateful.

-Brad



Hi!
I was getting the same problem with my Pavoni as well, very little resistance the first part of the stroke and bubbles at the end of the second stroke. In my case the solution was replacing the upper seal in the group head (under the brass retainer ring). This was the only gasket in the group head that I hadn't replaced earlier and it was really worn out. I agree it seems a bit far-fetched that this could lead to air in the cylinder but for some reason this seems to be the case. Also, another nice side effect is that lifting the handle is now much smoother.

Hope this might be the solution for you as well!

/Herman
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Postby bsafnuk on Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:33 pm

I was getting the same problem with my Pavoni as well, very little resistance the first part of the stroke and bubbles at the end of the second stroke. In my case the solution was replacing the upper seal in the group head (under the brass retainer ring). This was the only gasket in the group head that I hadn't replaced earlier and it was really worn out. I agree it seems a bit far-fetched that this could lead to air in the cylinder but for some reason this seems to be the case. Also, another nice side effect is that lifting the handle is now much smoother.


Thanks! I'll give it a try. One thing I've noticed is that too high a temperature really makes the problem worse (I have the older 2 switch Europiccola, so it is very easy to let it get too hot)

-Brad
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Postby roadman on Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:29 pm

cannonfodder wrote:I would put money on the pressure relief spring in the cap. It should be quite stiff if you push on it with an ink pen.

Bingo. I put the new spring in the pressure relief valve and that solved that problem. However right after that was fixed the sight glass gaskets started leaking. Long story short in the end just about every seal on the machine had to be replaced.
Madroaster wrote:Hi Roadman,

I'm the guy with the nasty bubbly shots you referred to over on CG. It's been a long time since I've seen them, and looking at the thread again, man...those are gross. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know what happened in my case. The problem went away. I paid very close attention to grind, used fresher beans (started roasting), and, well, the problem went away. Maybe I just got better with the machine...they are tricky at first.

Cheers,
--Derek

Derek I couldn't agree more. Once the machine was back in shape the only time it bubbled was when I pushed the lever down too hard and too fast.
Jon
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Postby Madroaster on Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:49 am

Glad to hear it all worked out for you. I've looked at the original CG post a few times since it happened, and it never ceases to make me cringe. I still can't get over how nasty they look. I'm sure glad they're gone...

--Derek
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