Thinking of sinking big bucks into a 2 group HX to speed up the morning grind. I would like info from any and all re these machines...or something comparable. Basically need a 2 group spring lever and like the idea of an HX. The Astoria Rapallo seems good but there is little info out there. Thanks for your help.

According to the owner of this it's a dipper tube so not for me. I will keep looking for 2 group spring lever HX...any suggestions?

Wasn't the Futurmat Palanca a HX?

Palanca is a HX but no one is selling a 2 group used round here. And new is still a little pricey.

New 2-group Futurmat Palanca should be available around $2000 in the US. That is dirt cheap for a new machine - less than half the cost of the Palanca. I know a seller in Germany who has one second-hand for about 1000 USD, but the shipping would be a problem.

I have not used a Futurmat, so I can't comment on any aspect of quality. Uses a pretty standard Rossi-type group and is an HX machine, and performance should be predictable. A two-group commercial machine is going to take up a lot of counter space and have a lot of boiler to heat. Do you really need one for home use?

Jim

I'm not an 'old timer" with lever machines but feel like it because of the amount I've read. I personally wouldn't be turned off a good machine because it's a dipper. I'm using an old Cimbali dipper and have never had such easy predictable shots yet it's simple to change temperature and tweak if I want to.
Does anyone know the cost of a one group Futurmat?

Doug