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Postby hbuchtel on Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:09 pm

Does anybody else get sweaty hands and feet after drinking coffee? I do, and it is a real pain in the winter... (no central heating here... 10C indoors!).

I'm taking a herbal medicine class now, which started me thinking that there ought to be some other plant which could reduce this effect. I'm trying ginger soup/tea now, with some promising results, but need to do more experimenting to say for sure.

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Postby treshell on Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:32 am

ginger soup/tea is hot in nature. You want something that is calming try shell fish or add ground deer horn to your soup.
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Postby hbuchtel on Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:40 pm

treshell wrote:ginger soup/tea is hot in nature. You want something that is calming try shell fish or add ground deer horn to your soup.
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Hi treshell, thanks for your suggestion. Do you mean 'calming' as in 'calms liver qi'?

I'm finding that the ginger helps with the cooling effect of the coffee- the coffee doesn't make me warm, it just makes me sweat, then I get cold... but two mugs of ginger soup yesterday left me with a dry throat, so I'm adding some gan cao (licorice) to it today... tastes great! :)

If you are interested, here are a couple links about coffee from a Chinese medicine perspective- by Subhuti Dharmananda or by Ryan Mader.
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Postby roadman on Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:29 am

hbuchtel wrote:Does anybody else get sweaty hands and feet after drinking coffee? I do, and it is a real pain in the winter... (no central heating here... 10C indoors!).

I'm taking a herbal medicine class now, which started me thinking that there ought to be some other plant which could reduce this effect. I'm trying ginger soup/tea now, with some promising results, but need to do more experimenting to say for sure.

Henry

Sounds like 5-palm heat caused by deficient Kidney-Yin. Do you have night sweats on any sort of regular basis? Are you having any other signs of heat in the body?

Quoting from The Foundations of Chinese Medicine by Giovanni Maciocia:

Overdosage of Chinese herbal medicines to strengthen Kidney-Yang or administration of wrong medicine (to strengthen Kidney-Yang when Kidney-Yin should be strengthened). The former situation is very common in China as the habit of taking medicines to strengthen Kidney-Yang as middle-age approaches is ingrained in Chinese culture. If this is overdone and Kidney-Yang is over-stimulated by the administration of too hot herbal medicines, Kidney-Yin will be injured.

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Postby hbuchtel on Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:40 pm

Hi Jon, it's nice to meet some other CM folks! Funny to do so on an espresso site :lol:

I don't find that the 'kidney* yin vacuity' pattern fits me. Actually my textbooks haven't been much help with this (they are meant more for the kind of patients you'd see in a hospital), which is why I'm trying to go with my own observations rather then theory.

On the first site I linked to above the author recommended taking bai shao (peony root) so soften liver qi, the idea being that coffee (similar to chai hu/bupleurum) dredges but doesn't smooth liver qi, which for some people could cause spleen vacuity symptoms, for example. I'd like to try this, but if I recall correctly bai shao doesn't taste good... bleagh! More ginger and licorice for me today :D

Henry

* all organs mentioned here are Chinese medicine organ systems, which are not closely related to the organs in modern anatomical science.
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Postby peacecup on Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:21 pm

Henry -

The problem you're experiencing is termed "Caravelitis" It usually only afflicts people who old Italian espresso makers that are so beautiful that they beckon one to imbibe in rather more of the "black medicine" (a term coined by the Oglala Sioux sometime around 1870) than befits a holy man.

Seriously, I hope you find a good solution to the problem.

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Postby hbuchtel on Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:28 am

peacecup wrote:The problem you're experiencing is termed "Caravelitis"


Heh heh :) Well, it is better then the dreaded "Upgraditus," right? ;)

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Postby CoffeeOwl on Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:57 am

hbuchtel wrote:Hi Jon, it's nice to meet some other CM folks! Funny to do so on an espresso site :lol:

Hi!
I'm on CM... curing my asthma and allergy away with some herbs and espresso :lol:
if you're in a cold environment coffee will bring the coldness inside, unless you add/eat some warm metal :shock: :D
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