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Postby another_jim on Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:45 pm

cannonfodder wrote:LOL, 3 year old decaf. If you ground up the burlap bad the coffee was shipped in, it would have tasted better.


It had a few surprises. The dry aroma of decaf is usually awful (something dead and dry, a corpse that's gone a bit past decomposing perhaps), and one mostly catches a whiff of this in the cup too. In my experience, this always got worse as the coffee staled, so when I did decaf, I'd roast a small batch every few days. This frozen stuff nearly didn't have that smell; in fact it didn't have much of any aroma or acidity at all. It didn't taste unpleasant, just generic dark caramel and roast; in other words, most of the taste was missing, like getting salt water instead of soup.

I have a feeling this may be the secret of robusta blends, both here and in Italy. Roast the heck out of the coffee, then let it stale a month. By then everything offensive has evaporated, and one is left with only generic coffee flavors.
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Postby Stuggi on Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:59 am

Not really, cause I dialed in my Pavoni using a "napolitan" roasted coffee, with high "premium" robusta, that was atleast several months old when I got it. I thought the charcoal flavor was a technique flaw on my part, turned out to be the coffee (that charcoal flavor was present in coffee made from drip brewer, french press, espresso, you name it.).

BUT, since this is a napolitan roast, I'll age it for a while (after all, I have 1 kg of this crap) and see how it turns out. I even have a jar in the frezeer which was put there the day I opened the bag.
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Postby another_jim on Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:09 pm

Stuggi wrote:Not really, cause I dialed in my Pavoni using a "napolitan" roasted coffee, with high "premium" robusta, that was atleast several months old when I got it. I thought the charcoal flavor was a technique flaw on my part, turned out to be the coffee (that charcoal flavor was present in coffee made from drip brewer, french press, espresso, you name it.).


In the US, "Neapolitan roasted" is the trade name for charcoal. If I remember my chemistry right, that flavor will never evaporate. You could add some barley mash, distill it, and see if it tastes like an Orkney malt.
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Postby cannonfodder on Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:14 pm

It makes good fertilizer for your tomato plants, they like the acidity.
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Postby Stuggi on Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:21 pm

No acid here mate, just plain old charcoal.

I should really send you people some samples, cause this stuff is not only horrid, but costs 27 € per kilogram!
There's one plus with it though, no matter what you do to it, it will still produce crema, and loads of it.
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Postby cannonfodder on Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:04 pm

I am not saying that all dark roasts are bad. In fact I have had a couple of good ones, let me underscore 'a couple'. There are a few beans that will take a dark roast but getting to that point with carbonizing the coffee takes a master at his craft.

Crema, stuff enough Robusta in and even Folgers will produce a lot of crema. Getting 100% crema from a 100% Arabica blend, that is the ticket.
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The tomato fertilizer, coffee has a slightly acidic ph, not flavor acidity but old school acid/base acidic. Tomato's like slightly acidic soil. I dump all my spent coffee in the flower bed.
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Postby Stuggi on Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:34 pm

I'm not saying that that's bad either, I enjoy my nearly carbonized Kenya AA coffee that I roast, not just that crap I was stupid to buy a kilo of.

It comes down to the same old thing, coffee's too complex to be easily categorized.
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