Tips about Quest M3
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Hi.
Im very new at this forum, and i've been searching a lot about coffee roasting. I have worked as a barista for 7 years, and still learning. But i know what i like and i know my preferences. I am very curious about experimental roasting, and classical roasting.
I would like to have some tips about reaching the 1st crack, by the tradition and by experimental styles.
Since im scandinavian myself, i like lighter roasted coffee. I like when the coffee challenges the senses.
In espresso i have had several succesful attempts making espresso that have liqurice, strawberry, juicy fruits and floral notes in it (all by the crafts of the bean and brewing).
I know theres a lot of threads around about this, but this post is strictly about traditional/experimantal roasts
Can somebody help me?
Im very new at this forum, and i've been searching a lot about coffee roasting. I have worked as a barista for 7 years, and still learning. But i know what i like and i know my preferences. I am very curious about experimental roasting, and classical roasting.
I would like to have some tips about reaching the 1st crack, by the tradition and by experimental styles.
Since im scandinavian myself, i like lighter roasted coffee. I like when the coffee challenges the senses.
In espresso i have had several succesful attempts making espresso that have liqurice, strawberry, juicy fruits and floral notes in it (all by the crafts of the bean and brewing).
I know theres a lot of threads around about this, but this post is strictly about traditional/experimantal roasts
Can somebody help me?
- another_jim
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Experimental/traditional or classical are unusual names for roasting profiles. What do you mean?koffein wrote: I am very curious about experimental roasting, and classical roasting ... this post is strictly about traditional/experimantal roasts
Jim Schulman
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I guess what i mean is how do you roast coffee, with taking care of the coffee beans peculiarities?
I guess i have figured that theres a difference between roast and toast. But somewhere between there, there has to be a way of taking out the real essence of the coffee bean.
I guess im asking a very complicated question. Since its a matter of origin, handling, roast and brewing.
I guess i have figured that theres a difference between roast and toast. But somewhere between there, there has to be a way of taking out the real essence of the coffee bean.
I guess im asking a very complicated question. Since its a matter of origin, handling, roast and brewing.
- another_jim
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Here are some instructions to get you started on the Quest with a basic profile
In addition: You can experiment by roastingthe same bean to different profiles: here are some suggestions:
-- You can lengthen the roast up to the first crack. This will emphasize the Maillard flavors which are savory and malty, like roasted meats, and deemphasize the caramels, which are more candy-like. For most coffees, this may not be a good idea.
-- you can lengthen or shorten the time from the start of the first crack to the end of the roast. Shorter times create a large difference in degree of roast between the center of the bean and the outsid; while longer times create a more uniform level of roast throughout the bean. The wider range of roast levels of very short roasts (less the 2.5 minutes from 1st crack start to end) can lead to a wider range of flavors, including very acidic and grassy flavors for lighter roasts and peaty or tobacco flavors for darker roasts. The very narrow range of flavors for long roasts (more than 4.5 minutes) can lead to a flat tasting and boring coffee. You can try these extremes for some coffees; but it is usually best to stay within the 2.5 to 4,5 minute range.
-- the key to good roasting is to vary profiles on the same coffee and cup the results. Intructions can get you started, but only this direct, experimental experience will make you good.
In addition: You can experiment by roastingthe same bean to different profiles: here are some suggestions:
-- You can lengthen the roast up to the first crack. This will emphasize the Maillard flavors which are savory and malty, like roasted meats, and deemphasize the caramels, which are more candy-like. For most coffees, this may not be a good idea.
-- you can lengthen or shorten the time from the start of the first crack to the end of the roast. Shorter times create a large difference in degree of roast between the center of the bean and the outsid; while longer times create a more uniform level of roast throughout the bean. The wider range of roast levels of very short roasts (less the 2.5 minutes from 1st crack start to end) can lead to a wider range of flavors, including very acidic and grassy flavors for lighter roasts and peaty or tobacco flavors for darker roasts. The very narrow range of flavors for long roasts (more than 4.5 minutes) can lead to a flat tasting and boring coffee. You can try these extremes for some coffees; but it is usually best to stay within the 2.5 to 4,5 minute range.
-- the key to good roasting is to vary profiles on the same coffee and cup the results. Intructions can get you started, but only this direct, experimental experience will make you good.
Jim Schulman
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Sounds good Jim. At first i want to experiment with lenghts towards the first crack.
Using different greens from different countries etc.
My guessings is that scandinavian coffee is somewhere between stretching out towards the first crack. It is one of my interesst to learn the scandinavian approach. Since i think it is close to my palates and taste.
I will try out some few ideas and follow up your advise (as i have no choice obviously ).
Thanks for good advice.
Using different greens from different countries etc.
My guessings is that scandinavian coffee is somewhere between stretching out towards the first crack. It is one of my interesst to learn the scandinavian approach. Since i think it is close to my palates and taste.
I will try out some few ideas and follow up your advise (as i have no choice obviously ).
Thanks for good advice.
- farmroast
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Yes, you can have a slower ramp after drying to first crack and a faster finish. Or a faster ramp and then adjust a stretch in the time from start of first to dump.
LMWDP #167 "with coffee we create with wine we celebrate"
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Sounds great!
I will try that as well. Thanks in advance.
I will try that as well. Thanks in advance.
- UltramaticOrange
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Maybe helpful. Not sure: My Quest M3 tip sheet and my Quest M3 cheat sheet
If your tiny coffee is so great, then why don't you drink more of it?
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Looks pretty good. Trying to figure out the airflow specs at this time. What it does with the bean, how it effects it and how to use it in general