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Postby Sherman on Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:59 pm

I've had luck with my HG - there seem to be a couple of keys to longevity; reducing stress to the heating element and keeping the intake clean. To achieve the fomer, I turn off the HG, then apply the shop-vac nozzle to the nose of the HG (buffering the hot metal with a ring of foil, so as not to melt the hose) to cool off the element. To achieve the latter, I put a piece of scrap hosiery over the intake.

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Postby Martin on Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:27 pm

Sherman wrote:a couple of keys to longevity;
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My heatgun (Makita 1100) put in 5-6 years good service removing thick paint, mastic-applied tiles, all sorts of home projects. That was before seven years of roasting. I try to remember to keep a compressed air can handy, but lacking that I'll put my mouth to the vents and puff the chaff through. Very pretty at night time, but takes some explaining if caught in the act. :D
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Postby North Sullivan on Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:16 pm

Thanks for the tips. I'll take better care of the next one.
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Postby Sherman on Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:44 pm

Then again, mine was a Ace Hardware $15 special :cry: Maybe that's why it needs more babying.

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Postby randytsuch on Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:18 pm

I dont use a HG/BM Corretto style roaster, but I found this thread at coffeesnobs and thought it might be of interest
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1259627839

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Postby seedlings on Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:32 am

The triac controller should extend the life of the heatgun significantly... kind of like using 130V light bulbs in your house instead of 120V... we built our house about 6 years ago and I've changed exactly 2 (of our 30) 130V recessed lights. Most items last longer when operated at less-than-maximum.

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Postby Sherman on Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:51 pm

seedlings - you should note that the triac to which you refer (strikingly similar to one that I purchased after reading your recommendation a while ago... now if I could just get HF to stop sending me catalogs :) ) has 3 settings (Variable, Off and Full). When the variable setting is engaged, turning the knob to 100% actually provides a touch less output than the Full setting. It's like having a dimmer that peaks at 95%, which is why I was considering this when you posted your 130v/120v light comment. Good stuff...

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Postby Droshi on Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:55 pm

Glad to see this roasting method getting some discussion. I feel it's quite good, however I haven't roasted any other way. :)

I personally use a custom datalogger that graphs real-time on a laptop, however I agree that this info shouldn't be used in a crazy perfectionist manner of trying to stick exactly to a line and making many heat adjustments to achieve that. Rather I use it to give me an idea of what's going on inside (in a more visual way) and make as few heat adjustments as possible to do what I want. This seems to give the best results.
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Postby Sherman on Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:24 am

As I was roasting a few cupping roasts of my latest score from GCC, I came to a realization. Martin and I have taken what feels to me like opposing positions with regard to roasting with a HG/BM and decking it out with probes, triacs and such. I don't know that we're so far apart.

I realized that I'm leveraging the thermometry equipment in conjunction with my senses to gain consistency; I'm not sacrificing my nose, eyes and ears at the altar of measurement in pursuit of the holy grail. I respect Martin's desire to keep it simple and embrace the artisanal aspect of roasting; I just happen to think that you can combine your senses with modern equipment without losing that personal, creative touch.

Rather than build a stand to hold the HG or manually vary heat input via distance, I use the triac to control heat input. Rather than manually agitate the beans, I use a bread machine motor.

However, this is far from an automated process. It's assistive - IMHO, these enhancements do no more to abstract me from the roasting process than do power steering and braking abstract a driver from the experience of driving. Paddle shifters, well that's another story ;).

I utilize this assistive technology where I see it to add value and benefit. I rely on both the readouts and my senses to tell me when I've hit my target.

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P.S. This still doesn't prevent me from absent-mindedly tossing a roasted batch back into the bread machine, only to boggle at the temp readouts, lift the lid and wonder "how in the hell did these beans get so dark and so hot so fast?!"
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Postby Martin on Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:06 am

Sherman wrote: opposing positions with regard to roasting with a HG/BM and decking it out with probes, triacs and such. I don't know that we're so far apart.

maybe opposite sides of a very small pond :)
I realized that I'm leveraging the thermometry equipment in conjunction with my senses to gain consistency;

Somewhere along the way I reported on possibly 20-30 HG/DB roasts I did with fairly reliable temp measurement. Attach various sorts of sensors about 3/8" from bottom of stirring stick, used slightly smaller bowls for deeper bean bed and established reliable results and control. Surprisingly brief learning curve--just a matter of getting the dexterity down. It was informative. However, I realized that after a short period of feedback learning, I was validating temps and heat profiles with my "reading" of the roast, rather than having the temp data guide the roast. This seemed very backwards. Played some games: watch the roast, try to guess the temp, then check it. Soon, if there was a small conflict (profile I had in mind along with readout say to go a few degrees higher; But I say, seems time to ease up into exotherm-ville I nearly always went with my own judgment and at least lots of times I was correct.
I utilize this assistive technology where I see it to add value and benefit. I rely on both the readouts and my senses to tell me when I've hit my target.

I've no problem with added value, but seems that there are often added and unintended costs (i.e., effort) that go along with the value. These are worth examining.

All that said, I've just begun roasting consistently again after an 18 month gap in semi-temp housing. Have a grand apartment with small terrace looking east to the river and north up Park Ave to Grand Central. 26th floor. Morning sun/glare makes roasting difficult and afternoon gets a little windy. Some great problems to solve.
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