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Postby RioCruz on Thu May 06, 2010 9:00 pm

For as long as I can remember, Sweet Maria's has always advised to store green beans in breathable bags. They still insist on this even though they, themselves, have started storing them in vacuum sealed bags. I have a little home vacuum sealing system called Zipvac http://www.zip-vac.com/ that I would like to experiment with. Anybody vacuum sealing green beans? Anybody freezing them? Anybody vacuum sealing and then freezing?

Inquiring minds want to know.... :wink:
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Postby JohnB. on Thu May 06, 2010 9:45 pm

I break down my SM orders into 227g portions, vac bag & store in one of our storage freezers at -5*F. Some good info on preserving green coffee freshness: http://www.terroircoffee.com/content/view/144/28/
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Postby HB on Thu May 06, 2010 10:07 pm

It's an old thread, but readers may be interested in What is the latest on the storage of coffee greens?
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Postby Koffee Kosmo on Thu May 06, 2010 10:15 pm

Calico bags are the best & green beans stored in a cool dark & dry place (this is also my method of storage)

Green coffee beans will last for up to 3 years but I acknowledge roasting fresher is better
If you are storing green beans as noted above and roasting your beans within that time then I don't see a problem
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Postby HB on Thu May 06, 2010 10:36 pm

A topical blog entry Seasonality-Again:

Doug Zell wrote:I realize that great coffee can certainly still be good 15 months off harvest assuming it is the right coffee with the right shipping and storage conditions. However, I would like to see a single viable argument that would demonstrate that same coffee wouldn't be much, much better, 3 -6 months off harvest. The only exception to this might be wonky naturals that get better as they age because their negative characteristics fade.

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Postby another_jim on Fri May 07, 2010 4:55 am

Koffee Kosmo wrote:Calico bags are the best & green beans stored in a cool dark & dry place (this is also my method of storage)


This is wrong for all five coffees I've had in side by side comparisons. I tried two different coffees, a Kenya and an El Salvador at Terroir, with one frozen in mylar for a year and the other stored in a warehouse -- the bag coffees weren't even remotely close, but down a full 10 points from just above 90 to just above 80.

It wasn't nearly as dramatic for 2 DP and one WP Ethiopian Sidamo I had at home, which I compared after 6 months, but the aromatics were still far better on the vacuum packed, frozen samples.

As added evidence, all COE coffees now ship in vacuum packed mylar.

So I have little doubt that if you are going over a few months, vacuum packing in mylar is better. Freezing probably also helps, although there is still less evidence and acceptance of this.
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Postby beanflying on Fri May 07, 2010 6:04 am

and the other stored in a warehouse


Just a minor question on the warehouse was it able to go up and down with the extremes of temperature and humidity in Chicago or was it a reasonably controlled environment?

I gather choice of bag material is Mylar for reasons of taint from some plastics?
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Postby farmroast on Fri May 07, 2010 10:00 am

I got pretty interested in storage of greens after several conversations with George Howell at Terroir a few years back. At his open house cuppings he also shows the effects of time and various storage methods and as Jim mentioned the changes are quite dramatic. My approach for the last 4+ years for low cost storage has been Foodsaver vacuumed canning jars stored in a non-running freezer to keep conditions somewhat stable. I've been quite satisfied with this approach as I've continued to test various samples that have now been put away for years for test purposes.
If you store in vacuumed bags in a freezer be sure to check them regularly to be sure the vacuum doesn't leak.
I don't recommend long term storage (much over a crop year) but am a believer in vacuum storage.
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Postby another_jim on Fri May 07, 2010 4:18 pm

beanflying wrote:Just a minor question on the warehouse was it able to go up and down with the extremes of temperature and humidity in Chicago or was it a reasonably controlled environment?

I gather choice of bag material is Mylar for reasons of taint from some plastics?


In my experiment at home the bags were kept in a closet regular 65F to 75F apartment. In Terroir's case, they were kept in the 132Lb jute sacks, on racks, in the roasting warehouse, the traditional storage method for handling green coffee.

If you transfer the coffee to a vacuum packed, air tight, light proof container (mylar is suitable, as is the food saver material when stored in the dark), changes due to light damage, water transport, and oxidation are prevented. Freezing as an additional measure would nearly arrest any internal chemical changes, (but might damage the bean's cell structure due to ice crystallization -- any word on this?) .

As for taints: plain jute bags are, of course, notorious for adding taints -- that's what "baggy" means -- so any accepted method of vacuum packing method is an improvement in that regard. I think mylar is just the best structural choice for vacuum packing commercial size lots of green coffee, rather than being chemically superior; but I'm not certain about this.
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Postby Ken Fox on Fri May 07, 2010 9:47 pm

I have personally had bad experiences with jute bagged coffee.

Back when the Ethiopian Wondo Bonko was a fresh varietal, I purchased 30lbs of it from SM's. 20lbs came in a jute bag and 10 packed in plastic.

After 2 months the jute bagged green coffee was obviously inferior to the coffee that came in the plastic bags. Having grown accustomed to the taste of the coffee coming out of the plastic bags, it was a rude shock to then roast the jute bagged coffee and see such obviously inferior results. In order to confirm this, I roasted some remaining identical green coffee in plastic that I had received from another source, Klatch. This coffee remained excellent.

Although I could not define a specific taint, the jute bagged coffee had lost most of its fruitiness, which was one of the most defining characteristics of the Wondo Bonko in its youth. Ever since that experience I have insisted with vendors (SM's especially) that I do not want them to send me any green coffee that is packed in a jute bag, that I don't want the damn "free" jute bag, I want plastic bags. A couple of times SM's told me that I'd have to take it in jute. After telling them then to cancel the order, they relented and shipped in plastic.

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