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Drum material: what is the best

Postby rubensgardelli on Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:28 pm

I would like to hear your opinion about the best material to use for a drum roaster.

I quote from a roaster manufacture document:
"..... we use carbon steel because it contains the best of these metallurgical properties, is durable longterm
and cost effective. Many people think stainless steel or cast iron is better however this is not the
case in regards to "evenness" of retaining and disbursing heat across the entire drum and transferring
that evenly inside the drum to the bean. This is also a fallacy as stainless steel is not as effective because
it is a reflective metal that dissipates the heat differently and cast-iron is a porous metal that has uneven
density.
Since cast iron is "poured' in to a mold, the density is not consistent throughout and therefore the
thermal dynamics of heat transfer is not even. Carbon steel is rolled and the density is consistent in its
thickness - the result is "evenness" in the thermal dynamics of heat transfer. Please note however, the
steel used and the engineered design of the drum is only one element of consistency in a ... roaster."

Thanks for your opinion.
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Postby another_jim on Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:20 pm

Carbon steel is the most common material used for drums today; older Gothot and Burns roasters use cast iron and are highly sought after. For pots and pans, cast iron is a substantially better cook surface than carbon steel; it heats more evenly, and develops a much better patina. The fans of cast iron drums point this out. I do not know if the comparison applies to roasters.

Antique roasters used brass or copper drums; current industrial roasters use stainless steel.

I suspect your quote may be more marketing than science.
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Postby kocurekc on Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:35 pm

Good engineering thought problem here...which material is best?

What is best from a "Temperature Standpoint"

Mat:............Density...........Specific Heat...........Conductivity
..................(kg/m^3).........(J/kg*K).................(W/m*K)
Stainless.......8000...............460.......................13.5
Carbon S.......7800...............470.......................43
Cast Iron.......7200...............420.......................52

Densities are a wash, but cast iron would be the lightest
Specific heat is a wash, but cast iron takes the least amount of energy to heat it up
Conductivity is interesting though, stainless steel is going to "hold" it's heat the longest and will take the longest time to get hot. Cast Iron will heat up the fastest and will also let go of its heat the fastest.

Conclusion (IMHO):
If you want to have quick (or quicker) changes in the temperature of your drum (i.e. one temperature ramp to another temperature ramp) and you have good control on your heat input, then cast iron would be the best choice.

If you want to have a consistent temperature (or temperature ramp) with only modest changes in slope, or you have poorer control of your input heat, then stainless steel would be a better choice. This is due to the fact that the stainless steel will not fluctuate as much as the other material (given the low conductivity) as the heat source changes (Q).

That's why they don't make stainless steel brake rotors...once they get hot, they stay hot...
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Postby chang00 on Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:31 pm

Not from an engineering point of view, but from meat browning point of view, which is also a Maillard reaction. The meat browns better on a cast iron pan compared to stainless steel. I vaguely remember reading about this food science a while ago, but could not find the source.
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Postby JohnB. on Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:51 pm

kocurekc wrote:That's why they don't make stainless steel brake rotors...once they get hot, they stay hot...


The majority of all OEM motorcycle brake rotors are stainless steel.
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Postby JonR10 on Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:13 pm

JohnB. wrote:The majority of all OEM motorcycle brake rotors are stainless steel.

With lots of holes in them for cooling. I wonder if bikes use stainless because of exposure?
Most car rotors are solid and smooth carbon steel.

kocurekc wrote:Good engineering thought problem here...which material is best?

Great post.
Apparently you think like an engineer (send your wife my most sincere sympathies :lol: )
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Postby another_jim on Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:29 pm

kocurekc wrote:
Mat:............Density...........Specific Heat...........Conductivity
..................(kg/m^3).........(J/kg*K).................(W/m*K)
Stainless.......8000...............460.......................13.5
Carbon S.......7800...............470.......................43
Cast Iron.......7200...............420.......................52

...

If you want to have a consistent temperature (or temperature ramp) with only modest changes in slope, or you have poorer control of your input heat, then stainless steel would be a better choice.


IMO, the low conductivity of SS is a deal breaker. Low conductivity ==> hot spots ==> uneven and scorched roasts. SS is a lovely surface material; but in a solid drum, it would need to be backed by something more conductive, like the SS/aluminum sandwiches used in cookware.
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Postby JohnB. on Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:32 am

JonR10 wrote: With lots of holes in them for cooling. I wonder if bikes use stainless because of exposure?
Most car rotors are solid and smooth carbon steel.


Nobody wants to see a rusty brake rotor on a motorcycle but the modern stainless rotors work extremely well. Most brake companies like Brembo, EBC, ect use a proprietary stainless blend which works as well as the older cast iron rotors. Check out the braking times on the current crop of 180hp sportbikes.

Automotive rotors are typically cast iron but there are some aftermarket stainless rotors.
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Postby Dieter01 on Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:26 pm

Now I want a Brembo drum. With red calipers!
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Postby danetrainer on Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:37 pm

I just checked (with a magnet) to make certain, as I remembered my Ambex has a stainless drum, & indeed it does. I would suspect they chose not to use carbon steel for a reason, as certainly the stainless is more expensive. What material does the Quest M3 use?
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