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Coffee Sealed in Mason Jars?

Postby zich6 on Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:24 am

I've been roasting for friends and family for some time. Recently, I was asked by a local farm market to sell to them, but although I recommended vent bags they want the beans packaged in 1 quart Mason jars. Aside from the light issue I already informed them about, if I let the beans de-gas for a couple of days, would it be a problem to "keep the customer happy" by packaging in the jars, then vacuum sealing? My thought is that any remaining de-gassing will be addressed by the vacuum in the jar. Thoughts? Actual experience would be helpful.
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Postby mitch236 on Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:21 am

I put all my beans into Mason jars as soon as they arrive. Of course much of the outgassing has already occurred during shipping but I still get a wooshing sound when I open the jar a few days later. I think the lid allows for outgassing but fresh roasted beans may be too much gas and crack the jar.

I know Hairbender is offered in a Mason looking jar so it must be safe.
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Postby jkoll42 on Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:35 am

If I seal the lid on a mason jar straight from the roast, there will be noticeable offgas for a few days where I have to 'burp' the jar daily. Usually I just dont completely screw on the lid for a few days and all is fine.

How were you planning on vacuum sealing a Mason jar?
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Postby zich6 on Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:16 pm

jkoll42 wrote:How were you planning on vacuum sealing a Mason jar?


I have used this successfully to store green:

http://www.foodsaver.com/Product.aspx?i...89&pid=270
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Postby yakster on Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:41 pm

Like you, I vacuum seal my greens, but not my roasted beans, I have heard that this is not recommended and I personally don't find it necessary. I use mason jars for storage of both green and roasted coffee. It's amazing how much green coffee you can store in a half gallon mason jar. My wife uses the vacuum sealer with mason jars in her science class, it's fun to see the marshmallows swell up.

My process used to be to roast and cool the beans and pour them in the jar with the lid only loosely on top until the next morning and most of the CO2 would outgas overnight. After that, I'd notice pressure release when I opened the jars each morning. I keep the jars of roasted coffee in a cupboard out of the light, but when I buy commercially roasted coffee in bags, I transfer them to 8 oz mason jars and stick the jars inside the bag so that I can still use the nice label. I'll keep one out and freeze the rest to keep the beans fresh.

One thing you may consider, but it's more expensive, is using the plastic storage caps instead of the canning jar lids and bands. These are easier to use, don't rust, and they're not airtight so they allow the beans to outgas. This is a plus and a minus. I've switched over to these because they're more reusable and easier to clean, and easier to label with my grease pencil, but I wouldn't recommend it for long term storage, I'd go with the lids and bands for these. Since I've been using the plastic lids, I've never noticed any pressure build-up. I've even considered some sort of gasket between the jar and the lid, but not really worth the bother for short-term storage.

You could also look into lids with one-way valves installed in the top. I've seen that people have made these, but I'm not sure that they're commercially available, and I wouldn't think that it would really be worth the bother.

Don't forget about the possible breakage issue with glass, and good luck!
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Postby jkoll42 on Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:51 pm

zich6 wrote:I have used this successfully to store green:

http://www.foodsaver.com/Product.aspx?i...89&pid=270



To clarify your original post. Is the farm market wanting to sell the coffee to customers in the mason jars or is this to store it until purchase? The reason I ask is that will be some expensive coffee if you have to factor in the $1.50 or so per jar and $10 for a vacuum lid! Maybe I am misunderstanding something :roll:
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Postby JimG on Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:53 pm

jkoll42 wrote:...The reason I ask is that will be some expensive coffee if you have to factor in the $1.50 or so per jar and $10 for a vacuum lid!...

You can use standard canning lids/bands if you have a jar sealing attachment. I've been storing my greens in vacuum sealed Mason jars for a few years now. I think it is a great system.

When I give roasted coffee as a gift, I let it outgas a few hours (preferably overnight) with the lid on loosely. Then I vacuum seal the jar using a Foodsaver jar sealing attachment. The jars are almost always returned, so they get used many times.

I don't bother vacuum sealing roasted coffee for my own use. Not worth the effort since it will be gone in around 10 days anyway.

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Postby yakster on Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:57 pm

Jim,

I've yet to get any of my jars back from anyone I've given roasted coffee to. You've trained them well.

Maybe there could be a deposit at the Farmer's Market on the jars so that you get them back and you get customers coming back to return the jars and get more coffee. Marie Callender's would do this with their pie tins.

With family, how do you charge a deposit on something you're already giving away?
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Postby DavidG on Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:03 pm

My suggestion is that you not worry about the degassing of the fresh roasted beans and the Mason/Ball jar. I load every roast into a Mason jar (quarts and pints), and screw down the lid tight. I LOVE the rush of aroma when burping the jars in the days the follow -- and your customers will, too. Incidentally, having pressurized CO2 in the jars will help delay oxidation (staling) somewhat.

Several have cautioned against the pressure that might build up in the jar. I believe (without testing) that it is a non-issue. Having grown up canning all manner of produce in those jars (and washing them, opening them, using them for lots of unintended uses and breaking them!), I think they are WAY stronger than pressurized CO2 from fresh roast. Will de-gassing pop a ziploc or unvented foil bag? Sure. A Mason jar? No way.

Just my opinion w/out testing. If any homeroaster HAS exploded a Mason/Bell jar JUST from de-gassing and not from mis-handling -- here is your call to stand up and be heard.

Cheers,
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Postby yakster on Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:01 pm

I agree with David's assessment regarding the pressure not being a breakage issue.

The only breakage issue I foresee is from dropped jars at the farmer's market. I haven't broken one yet, though, so I don't know how likely this is.
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