Aillio Bullet R1 - Roasting Experience - Page 2

Discuss roast levels and profiles for espresso, equipment for roasting coffee.
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#11: Post by AndreG »

Thank you for your quick response! You should be there representative. I did ask the question but have not received an answer from them. That put me off. That and I may encounter problems ordering parts.

Your explanations and the document you refer too, answers in detail to my questions. I do now see the white insulation shell quite interesting. Some questions comes to mind like cleaning the inner funnel and the drum fan but for the time being, I am very satisfied with your answers.

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#12: Post by Bak Ta Lo (original poster) replying to AndreG »

Sure, no problem! Happy to answer, as I had many of your same questions when I was first considering the roaster. Consider joining the Facebook users group, as there are more experienced users there and they are also helpful in answering all kinds of questions on the Bullet.
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#13: Post by JK »

AndreG wrote: Your explanations and the document you refer too, answers in detail to my questions. I do now see the white insulation shell quite interesting. Some questions comes to mind like cleaning the inner funnel and the drum fan but for the time being, I am very satisfied with your answers.
I remember when talking to them at the SCCA they said they had a hard time getting that Insulation Shell made to there standards
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#14: Post by doktor1909 »

For almost a year now I read a lot about the Aillio roster.
It is the first and only system to use induction heat and, as you describe, it seems to work very well, including PC-connection and software.
I have an old-style gas roaster from Turkey named AKANEKS AKS1 1kg roaster.
It is comparably primitive, but I am happy with it.
I am very interested in the durability of the Aillio. There seems to be no possibility to change the heating system- (all in one capsule?) Why is there a limit of total roasting quantity?
I hope you can give further reports.

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#15: Post by Bak Ta Lo (original poster) »

No, the heating system cannot be changed out, it can only use induction heating. Is that what your question was?

From what I have read in other comments,the 100KG monthly roasting limit is so that the the roaster is not used commercially, as the design was not intended for commercial use. I only roast 4-5 KG a week, and it is works great. But, if I needed to roast 100KG per month I would definitely get a larger commercial roaster with a large cyclone and other commercial features.

There are some other threads here on H-B discussing the roasters design, as well I would recommend you to visit the Facebook group I posted a link to in the first post in this thread. The Bullet users and the owner of the company are there answering lots of questions.

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#16: Post by GioTheDrfiter »

Thank you for your response.
Bak Ta Lo wrote:I don't think it would have to be done every roast, depends on the coffee though, if I was roasting 750 grams of a very chaff heavy coffee I would just empty it. It takes all of 3-4 minutes to pop off the chaff box and dump it, snap it back on. If I am doing 3-4 roasts total, it is more important to me to have perfect airflow over saving a total 15 minutes over the entire roasting session.
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#17: Post by Marcelnl »

Is there any info outside of facebook, I'm in active denial of FB and want to keep it that way but am interested in the debate of biting the bullet buying a bullet vs building a drum roaster (have much of the parts but never seem to get around to it.

So far I've hard time even finding a distributor showing the machine on an EU website. Import tax and VAT take a hefty penalty on direct import from Taiwan and a distributor usually buys wholesale plus that I'm not to keem on buying expensive machinery without much of a chance to get spares anytime soon.

There are few affordable roasters out there that can do 500g plus batches and don't appear to be built rickety, the bullet is one of them but I don't find a lot about roast quality (which is what it's all about)
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#18: Post by DaveC replying to Marcelnl »

Well I do know there is a lot of cleaning required for the IR sensor window and that the cleaning process takes an hour. The poster of the process on the Bullet forum suggested it needed to be cleaned every 3-6 Kg, if true this is unbelievable. My own drum roaster has done over 80kg and doesn't need cleaning, or maintenance of any kind. The test version I had before that did well over 100kg. I would expect a good commercial grade 1kg roaster to need minimal maintenance every 1000kg or so.

Look at some photos of the roasts and look closely, unfortunately there are not many photos. The forum seems to go more on swapping profiles, rather than examining the roast. I've been roasting over 10 years now and I would say you can do better....but that's just an opinion on what I have seen and read so far, bearing in mind that most bullet users have never used a commercial grade roaster before, just a popper or Gene cafe etc..

I don't think you will find a Europe retailer selling it, they seem to prefer to sell direct in the European market, even though they have listed many EU retailers on their site. A company i do reviews for when they want to assess a product to see if they will stock it have been trying to talk to Aillio without success and they are listed as a stockist on Aillios website. For my part, I will be refusing to review it for them for 2 main reasons.

1. If I find anything bad I will just get shouted down my owners with rose tinted glasses
2. People will buy it regardless of the review (good or bad), because it's a 1kg roaster for 2,200 GBP

So why even bother wasting my time with it....

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#19: Post by chrisbodnarphoto »

DaveC wrote:
1. If I find anything bad I will just get shouted down my owners with rose tinted glasses
2. People will buy it regardless of the review (good or bad), because it's a 1kg roaster for 2,200 GBP

So why even bother wasting my time with it....
I think that having someone with such experience review the product would be massively helpful for a lot of us HBers - especially since many of us would be considering the roaster for the price!

You might be right in reviews posted on the Bullett forums, but there are plenty of curious and respectful people in this community that might like to see some solid scientific results.

It seems that Socratic loves the roaster! They seem to put a ton of volume through it and use the beans roasted for all of their scientific testing. Wether or not they have any previous roasting experience is an unknown to me, but I do respect their opinion on it (not blindly, as I'm still a tad skeptical).

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#20: Post by Bob_M »

I was about to order one. I followed advice I read here and subscribed to bullet users Facebook page. Lately I have seen lots of people complaining about problems with this roaster. I'm at wait and see phase for now and I would advise anyone who is considering buying this to sign into the Facebook page and just look at what people are saying.