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Upgrade to Versalab M3 grinder?

Upgrade to Versalab M3 grinder?

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No
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Postby HB on Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:40 pm

I've dodged upgrade fever in recent years. Some mighty fine espresso machines have graced HB's bench, and the Elektra A3 was really, really tempting (sorry, no amount of rationale could sway the master of the kitchen). But I've failed to squelch the Siren's song that began the day I saw this picture:

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From the Bench review of the Versalab M3 grinder

The strangest things will impress a barista, don't you think? For weeks, Abe and his posse regaled us with pictures and commentary; my mind started clicking through the calculations... lemme see, $850... that's two Mazzer Minis. Ouch. Despite the eye-bulging pricetag, I could feel my grip on the Visa card weakening. "Hey, it would be better for testing espresso equipment, right?" I reasoned. Then a week after the Internet chatter of the M3 rose, so did the price: $1250. Gulp. :shock:

Is this crazy? Should I cede to the Siren's taunts, or put it out of my mind and be happy with my two grinders (Mazzer Mini and Super Jolly)?
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Postby lennoncs on Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:10 pm

I think it is one Heck of a lot of green for that grinder.

I wouldn't bat an eye if it were not for a couple of reasons.

1. Versalab is one buggar of a company to deal with and consistency is not one of their strong points, they really need to learn how to run an organization that deals with the public.
2. The build is nice but not the work of art people seem to think it is and the company made omissions and oversights in the name of "artistic" concerns. My view is grinder "first and foremost" let the form follow.

That said, it probably is one of the best out there for grind quality although Greg S. is very happy with the Kony.



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Postby barry on Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:42 pm

it's messy. really messy.
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Postby Abe Carmeli on Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:47 pm

barry wrote:it's messy. really messy.


If you use a tray to catch the grinds, it really isn't much more mess than my Mini. I used the Mini tray for that job.
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Postby another_jim on Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:52 pm

Well, I bought one; and I think it's slight improvement over a conventional commercial grinder. The same level of improvement can be had from commercial conicals as well. At the old ca. $900 price, the M3 had a significant price advantage. At $1200, the nod would go to the Kony at the same price, since the company is more solid, and the parts situation wouldn't be as murky.

The delivery system is interesting, but needs improvement. For my cupping needs it's ideal, since the cups I use fit snugly against the funnel. However, many cups do not, and then the grinder makes a mess. I use the bubblewrap to wedge the espresso baskets against the funnel, and that works nicely. However, holding a portafilter oneself while it's grinding, is to my mind, simply an insult, a task worthy of a village idiot. So the buyer will need to rig up some sort of PF rest to prevent this frustration, since the design is too "pure" to have bothered with that.
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Postby barry on Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:53 pm

Abe Carmeli wrote:If you use a tray to catch the grinds, it really isn't much more mess than my Mini. I used the Mini tray for that job.


use it as a cupping grinder instead of an espresso grinder.... ugh. :(


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Postby JonR10 on Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:08 am

It surely does a great job, but IMO it's way too expensive. For $1200 you could get a PAIR of Mazzer Mini-E grinders (one for decaf) and then you would have well-tested technology with a reputation for bulletproof build quality and readily available parts.

So, even though the grind quality and natural even distribution of the M3 may be superior I couldn't see buying one myself for that price. The Mazzer does good enough for me...
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Postby Teme on Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:31 am

I have been wrestling with a similar dilemma - to go for the M3 or a MiniE? The MiniE is faster, makes less mess and it is more practical in daily use (no bean feed issues like the M3 and it has the PF rest). Still, the grind distribution pattern, the unique appearance and the potential for even better espresso made the M3 very tempting. If money and counter space were not an issue, I would have both of these grinders. But these are an issue for me and I have decided to go for the MiniE.

I.e. I voted no for personal reasons, but if you have the spare money and the space that allows the M3 to be your second grinder -I say go for it...

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Postby HB on Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:13 pm

Teme wrote:Still, the grind distribution pattern, the unique appearance and the potential for even better espresso made the M3 very tempting.

It's also quite compact compared to the Kony. Even though I had some plausible rationale based on improving the quality of HB's equipment writeups, my temptation dropped off considerably with the price hike. Funny how the price remained the same for over a year, then within weeks of the first active discussion of it on the Internet -- bam! -- the price increases by over forty percent?!? Add to that Jim's comments about the poor ergonomics and extra mess, it's hard to stomach such an extraordinarily high premium.

Thanks for the comments and votes, it made my decision easier: I'm putting the money into my kids' college fund instead.
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Postby another_jim on Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:10 pm

another_jim wrote:At $1200, the nod would go to the Kony at the same price, since the company is more solid, and the parts situation wouldn't be as murky.


I got a letter from Laura Dearborn saying that Versalab prides itself for carrying spare parts for everything they've ever produced, and that people can be confident about the M3 on that score.

My original post didn't mean to impugn Versalab on its spareparts policy, rather it referred to the inherently greater risk for the buyer in dealing with any small newcomers to any industry as opposed to the established companies. While such caution is prudent for the buyer; it is certainly unfair to the startup company. However, that's business; and the startup has to offer superior price/performance in order to thrive.
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