Likewise, TomC, drgary, and I are friends.

TomC, Dustin360, and I were at the San Francisco MOMA event where the HG One was shown. I have small hands so for me, the HG One was not that easy to turn. I also have used drgary's Pharos, and from memory, if forced to use a hand grinder between the two, I'll choose the HG One. However though, I recently got the Lido and fully enjoy using it.

If this friendly comparison of the Pharos and HG One occurs later this month at the gathering, perhaps we can get the ergonomic perspective from people of different hand shape/strength/size etc.

I wonder if we should lock this thread up and start again.

I deleted the last few posts that would have likely set off another round of the "blame game". This thread is temporarily locked to allow contributors to consider how they can advance the discussion.

drgary wrote:You and I won't argue, that's for sure. Let's all chill, okay? Tom and I and others will do some actual comparisons.

I look forward to your side-by-side comparisons.