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I think that this syndrome is called "manufacturer" and to define it more narrowly "Pharos manufacturer".There's gotta be a mental syndrome one could acquire from repeatedly banging one's head into a wall after reading the same incorrect information over and over too.
To wit:
andTomC wrote:It would appear that OE has realized the Pharos could use some help in the stabilizing department with their introduction of the new Pharos dogs
The Pharos is a hand grinder based on the "classic" hand grinder format and with this format comes all the issues of hand grinders....holding it still, emptying the grounds, you want speed???....up the speed and up the force required to turn the handle. You want easy to turn and hold...you get SLOW....is slow a good thing? Could be for some people. I recall a little Zass that ground 14 grams in 10 turns and I about turned a double back flip just to crank that one and that was before I wore out both elbows building Phari! With hand grinders the power has to come from somewhere and transfer to somewhere else, with collateral effects in the transfer....the Pharos is a big burr on a long axle with 2 bearings all held by an open frame...it is unlike any other hand grinder in its design or simplicity. That owners choose to mod the grinder to suit their vision was encouraged from the start...being espresso people we knew this was inevitable and expected....we don't view this as a vote against the grinder, just reality reflecting user/owner preferences.spitz.me wrote: How about adding to that laundry list of 'awful', smacking your grinder to get your grinds out onto a piece of paper or big bowl, or having the grinder seize and/or slip from the grind size? All of the stuff you pointed out, you most likely do with the Pharos anyway...
To address the OP on ergonomics of one grinder vs the other I would add, it depends if you are right or left handed.
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The left-handed versus right-handed is indeed another point to consider. I'm lefthanded but use the HG One as intended which is right-handed. For me it's not a problem since I'm in my 30s, 6'7", weigh around 240 pounds and go to the gym 3 times a week but others may prefer the Pharos over the HG One if one doesn't have lots of strength and is left-handed. It doesn't take a lot of strength to grind but the HG One is designed for right-handed people.
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Geez oh man, with those stats why do you even need a grinder...seems like you could just crush the beans in your bare hands!!
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Body fat % is pretty normal. Crushing the beans with my bare hands would surely be the cheapest option. Maybe I'll put my HG One up for sale soon .
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OP, sorry for the squabbling, by you can at least tell that each grinder has its loyalties. Watch a video of both in action, and this will give you the required information. If the Pharos is harder to grind its because the base is hard to hold down FOR LIGHT ROASTS. The handles are roughly the same length, I.e the torque is the same, but stability is a factor.
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You should do that.Give me your address.erik82 wrote:Body fat % is pretty normal. Crushing the beans with my bare hands would surely be the cheapest option. Maybe I'll put my HG One up for sale soon .
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I grind coffee beans with my teeth, and boil the water with my rage.orphanespresso wrote:Geez oh man, with those stats why do you even need a grinder...seems like you could just crush the beans in your bare hands!!
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Doug, in all respect, the two comments you grabbed quotes from, then went on to describe classic hand grinder design doesn't address either comment directly at all.orphanespresso wrote:The Pharos is a hand grinder based on the "classic" hand grinder format and with this format comes all the issues of hand grinders....holding it still, emptying the grounds, you want speed???....up the speed and up the force required to turn the handle. You want easy to turn and hold...you get SLOW....is slow a good thing? Could be for some people. I recall a little Zass that ground 14 grams in 10 turns and I about turned a double back flip just to crank that one and that was before I wore out both elbows building Phari! With hand grinders the power has to come from somewhere and transfer to somewhere else, with collateral effects in the transfer....the Pharos is a big burr on a long axle with 2 bearings all held by an open frame...it is unlike any other hand grinder in its design or simplicity. That owners choose to mod the grinder to suit their vision was encouraged from the start...being espresso people we knew this was inevitable and expected....we don't view this as a vote against the grinder, just reality reflecting user/owner preferences.
To address the OP on ergonomics of one grinder vs the other I would add, it depends if you are right or left handed.
I've been very fair when highlighting both designs strengths and weaknesses, so this isn't a jab. The Pharos is a classical hand grinder that is more portable than the HG-One. But I honestly wonder how many folks who use the Pharos on a daily basis choose to sit down and use it as a lap grinder to increase its stability or comfort when using it? I know Barb mentioned that is/was her preferred method, but I don't think that's how everyone else wanting to make their espresso in the morning wants to proceed. And if someone had to sacrifice a cutting board or block of wood to mount the Pharos dogs just to be able to use their grinder more comfortably, then the portability perk of the Pharos goes out the window as does its small profile.
Many people have posted that using the Pharos is either awkward, uncomfortable, or it hurts their hands after a brief bit of use. Several people have posted that they've had issues with the grinder losing its grind setting and being tricky to dial back in to a set spot it was previously on a consistent basis, without modifying the grinder with aftermarket parts that add up the costs. These opinions and assessments by various users should be taken into account by the OP of this thread or anyone else considering a manual grinder.
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since we're talking about cranking effort... if modding is permissible, a modestly priced longer handle ($20) will address pretty much most if not all grinding/stability concerns.
I've tried and am physically unable to use it as a knee grinder, yet with a torn rotator/labrum and a
nasty case of tennis elbow and for about 6 weeks, with fractured ribs, I was able to turn the Pharos on the counter with the stock handle. Only if I had the longer handle then. For grins, I was even able to grind using just the tips of my thumb and index finger w/ the longer handle.
oh yea, compared to Erik82, I'm giving up a full foot and 100 lbs and have never been in a gym since middle school but that was only to spot for my buddy who was playing peewee.
unfortunately I haven't the pleasure of using the HG1.
I've tried and am physically unable to use it as a knee grinder, yet with a torn rotator/labrum and a
nasty case of tennis elbow and for about 6 weeks, with fractured ribs, I was able to turn the Pharos on the counter with the stock handle. Only if I had the longer handle then. For grins, I was even able to grind using just the tips of my thumb and index finger w/ the longer handle.
oh yea, compared to Erik82, I'm giving up a full foot and 100 lbs and have never been in a gym since middle school but that was only to spot for my buddy who was playing peewee.
unfortunately I haven't the pleasure of using the HG1.