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Non-destructive way to loosen lower burr

Postby Coffeeguide on Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:13 am

Hello Coffee-Lovers,

Just this weekend bought a secondhand in pretty good shape.
Wow what a solid piece of material, feels like my Volvo Amazon.
Needs some cleaning, few repairs, broken spring counter, switch front was broken.

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Can you help me out on somethings?

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How do I loosen the central bolt ?, on the top-end of the motor. Can't block the shaft.
Who can provide me with a manual ? printed or PDF, or a scan ?
How to as simple as possible covert it to non automatic ?
Who can help me to the little tray for the spilled coffee ?
When screwing in the top-grinder-plate, it hits after a few turns the next, how far turn it back from there ?


Thanks in advance for your help from the Netherlands,
with kind regards
Bernard
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Postby HB on Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:23 am

Coffeeguide wrote:How do I loosen the central bolt ?

See Removing Mazzer lower burr carrier.

paul_pratt wrote:Jamming things in may cause damage to the shaft. An easier way is to use long bolts and tighten them in sequence. The bolts push against the main body and force the carrier off. The risk of damage is low because the amount of force required is very small.

See pics.

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While the instructions above are specifically for removing the lower burr carrier, the same trick of threading longer bolts through the burr screws (picture #1) will hold the shaft immobile.
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Postby Coffeeguide on Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:51 am

Hello,
Thanks for the post.

May-be I am a bit slow here, but this doesn't help me to loosen
the central bolt, which is already off in your posted pictures !

I need to get grip on the shaft, stop it from turning while removing
the bolt.

:D , it is a learning curve
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Postby Louis on Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:29 am

On my Rancilio Rocky, I used a flat screwdriver pushed in the grinding chamber outlet, blocking one of the brass sweepers (part of the lower burr assembly). You can then unscrew the main bolt.

The required force on my Rocky was not very important so I had no fear of breaking something. I don't know if the same would be true for the MD50. You might be able to do the same trick from the top, to avoid having to remove the doser assembly.
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Postby HB on Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:43 am

Coffeeguide wrote:I need to get grip on the shaft, stop it from turning while removing the bolt.

See the first photo in my prior post. Paul removed the screws holding the lower burr and replaced them with really long bolts. He then tightened those bolts until they met the floor of the grind chamber. Since the lower burr carrier is attached to the shaft and the lower burr carrier can no longer turn (i.e., because the three bolts are pressing against the floor of the grind chamber, preventing the carrier from turning), the shaft is effectively immobile. The top bolt should then be easy to remove using a socket wrench.

Louis wrote:On my Rancilio Rocky, I used a flat screwdriver pushed in the grinding chamber outlet, blocking one of the brass sweepers (part of the lower burr assembly). You can then unscrew the main bolt.

I understand that you didn't use excessive force ("The required force on my Rocky was not very important..."), however, I did as you suggest once with a Mazzer Mini and broke one of the vane arms. Needless to say, I don't recommend it, not only because of the risk of snapping off a vane arm, but if you muscle it too much, you risk bending the shaft or damaging the motor bearings.
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Postby Coffeeguide on Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:49 pm

Thanks guys, good tips,

Really appreciate your support as coffeelovers from overseas.
I will give it a try with the extended bolts soon.

This afternoon I found the "USE AND MAINTENANCE" guide on the internet.
If you Google "RD50 use and maintenance rancilio", it will appear almost on top as
a PDF, download.

Who can help me with the remaining question?

How to as simple as possible covert it to non automatic ?
Who can help me to the little tray for the spilled coffee ?
When screwing in the top-grinder-plate, it hits after a few turns the next, how far turn it back from there ?

Looking forward to hear from you.

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Postby Coffeeguide on Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:49 pm

Hee hello,

That's nice I reply to myself,

Tried to loosen the central bolt with the long bolts in place.
Didn't feel good while turning the bolt slightly, at first the disk gave way.
The bolts were not tightened enough, oeps :? and the scraped the bottom.

Second attempt, didn't feel right, the screws push the brass disk up to the bottom
of the central bolt, and prevent it from turning easily.

:idea:
I had a clear moment, :D ,
I made a paper donut model, to fit on the central-shaft.
Made from the model a version of thick rubber.
Placed this one in, then the second grinder-disk on top, and tightened it.
Now it was easy to loose the central bolt, without effort or damaging the bottom.

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Learning while I drive.

Still need some answers from you,.......
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How to as simple as possible covert it to non automatic ?
Who can help me to the little tray for the spilled coffee ?
When screwing in the top-grinder-plate, it hits after a few turns the next, how far turn it back from there
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Postby Robert757 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:58 pm

Great Idea locking the burrs with a rubber doughnut :)
I have to replace the grounds tray as well and found it at http://www.espressoparts.com/RancilioMD5080GrinderWhole
I'm not sure how that source will work with you being in the Netherlands. You seem pretty resourceful, I bet you can invent something that works even better ;)

I'm still working on the Manual Switch test
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Postby Coffeeguide on Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:51 pm

Really funny,

We are running the same project on both continents.

If this rubber donut technique is new,
everybody should know about it.

keep inventing :shock:
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Postby Randy G. on Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:21 pm

Great idea! Puts an even stress on all the parts and puts a force against the motor's thrust bearings in the direction for which they were designed..

..and the great thing about the rubber retaining doughnut is that if any bits get caught in the burrs, just tell people that the taste comes from the Robusta you are using in the blend! :wink:
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