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Postby erics on Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:04 pm

Courtesy of AndyS from Page 3 of the Titan Grinder Project: Titan Grinder Project
I observe coffee sitting in the hopper at 70F come out of the chute as 85-90F grounds. This is probably unavoidable (grinding necessarily produces heat from friction), and that kind of moderate temperature rise probably has little effect on flavor.

In commercial use, though, even big honkin' grinders like the Robur get very hot, and the temperature delta may be larger. But perhaps an even bigger problem is in the hopper. Beans waiting to be ground are slow cooked as they sit directly above the hot burrset. (I think this issue was first pointed out to me by Scott Rao, thanks, Scott).

More advanced hopper designs are in the works that should alleviate this type of hopper-related heat abuse.


I tried adapting a 120 vac small cooling fan (think PC style power supply) to the hopper lid but the one I received was a little too large for the lid mod. The intent was to do a little better job of evacuating the grinding chamber and also cool "things" off a bit for those 24/7 Roburs. :)
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Postby Peppersass on Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:24 pm

another_jim wrote:The OP talked about the grounds, not the motor or housing. Grinding heats whatever is ground, since the energy used to break the large bits into smaller bits turns to heat -- even a hand grinder, when turned fast enough, will heat the grinds. The Robur heats grinds no worse than any other grinder.

I'm not so sure about this explanation of why the grounds heat up. If I smash a walnut with a hammer, little or no heat is transfered to the walnut pieces. I believe the energy of the blow goes mostly into breaking up the shell.

I think, rather, that the heating of coffee grounds is caused by friction of the beans, bean particles and grounds against the burr material as the grinder spins,
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Postby another_jim on Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:29 pm

You're right; but it may be a distinction without that much of a difference: the energy required to overcome the friction between bean and burr is what grinds the beans, and gets turned into heat.

Also, when you hammer a walnut, there's lots of moving air to take up the heat. In the grinder, there is only the burr and the bean. The stainless burrs don't dissipate heat well, so the bean absorbs much of it.

This ties into Eric's and Andy's points about dissipating that heat. C S Lennon, an occasional HBer who owns a robot factory, tried making some water cooled Robur burrs. Apparently, even this didn't do very well. Air cooling suffers from the fact that a cooling airflow is also likely to create an annoying ground coffee flow. Having ground coffee flying out of every gap of the dosing mechanism at high velocities may cool the grounds, but would probably create additional problems :wink:
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Postby TomC on Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:51 pm

For the home use, I'd think the whole concern would be moot. And it won't affect the flavor, so don't worry about it.
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