Use both Majors & SJs in cafe. Always seemed SJ a lot slower. However in reality how much slower perceived vs actual is relative. Now that using 0.1sec resolution digital timers come to find out SJ is only ~1.6 sec slower for ~17.3g doubles. (Today 6.5 vs 4.9) Funny how much slower SJ seems in a production environment!

Interesting. Is the SJ using stock burrs or duramill? My little Mini-E does around 17.5 grams in 11 seconds using stock SJ burrs. I wonder if the smaller Mini-E motor can't keep up the speed the same, although there are no indications it is struggling at all. Even converting to a 60Hz equivalent, mine would be around 9 secs, still quite a bit slower than your SJ (perceived and actual!).

SJs using OEM replacement burrs. Been considering trying Duranium, but have a couple more replacement sets of OEM to use first and other more pressing $$$ concerns.

I have two majors, and one seems slower than the other. I've never dialed both in for the same coffee, so there is the possibility that the left one has just always had the blend/roast that was slower.
I may get bored and dial them both in, next time I'm overloaded with beans (it happens) and see just what is what.

FWIW initial timing comparisons Major burrs only had ~3# through them while SJ well broken in with 100# or so. Now that the Major burrs have ~30# down to 4.5sec from 4.9. Part of this was likely do to dialing in for more exact minimal waste shot grind to shot grind, ie. minimum time with very very seldom needing short additional grind, always keeping hopper 3/4 to full. So now ~2sec grind time difference. Which means during the course of the day maybe a whopping time savings of 3 or 4 minutes or so using Major as primary grinder versus SJ.

So, my local shop owner is offering me a used SJ, a barely used Baratza Virtuoso, and two hunnert bucks for my Major.
Set aside, for the moment, that I'm somewhat emotionally attached to the picture of twin Majors in my kitchen (and the psychiatry that it's going to take to rectify that...), am I an idiot for not taking it, or is he an idiot for offering? He suggests that his SJ is just too slow. The timer on it is not staying open, as in, if you set the timer, it just swings back to zero, but that could be easily rectified with an aftermarket toggle switch. He already has the switch.
So far, I can't get past not having two Majors side-by-each, so I'm not ready to make a good decision.
Any thoughts?

Psyd wrote:So, my local shop owner is offering me a used SJ, a barely used Baratza Virtuoso, adn two hunnert bucks for my Major.
Set aside, for the moment, that I'm somewhat emotionally attached to the picture of twin Majors in my kitchen (and the psychiatry that it's going to take to rectify that...), am I an idiot for not taking it, or is he an idiot for offering? He suggests that his SJ is just too slow. The timer on it is not staying open, as in, if you set the timer, it just swings back to zero, but that could be easily rectified with an aftermarket toggle switch. He already has the switch.
So far, I can't get past not having two Majors side-by-each, so I'm not ready to make a good decision.
Any thoughts?

Whoa, tough call. Have you fully refurbed your Majors including new paint? Stupid timer switch which I hate anyway aside, how does the SJ compare looks wise? If yes Major immaculate and SJ needs new paint job to be like new I'd maybe go for it haggling for another C note. Sell the Virtuoso for another C note making 5 bills in your pocket and a SJ. Then if you just can't live with yourself only having one Major and a SJ sell the SJ easily for $350 (now making $850 in pocket) and buy another used Major for up to $500 (though likely far less if not in a hurry) and be $350 a head.

If it was local to me I'd sell him one of my 3 Majors and do just that!

Month follow-up. Major now has well over 100# on the burrs. Couple weeks ago had dialed down target dose to 17g, grind time ~4.1sec. (With the previous 17.3g target was well below original 4.9sec but don't recall what the actual was at that time. 4.3 or 2 IIRC) Week passed and noticed a bit of wastage creeping back, dropped down to 4.0sec. Five days ago dialed down to 3.9sec for 17g, still there spot on.

So at first with new burrs 17.3g needed 4.9sec. Approximate time for current 17g dose would have been 4.8sec. After good break in grind time for 17g down 0.9sec or ~19%. FWIW same blend post roast blended, each element PCL profile control roasted.

Whadya decide?

Psyd wrote:So, my local shop owner is offering me a used SJ, a barely used Baratza Virtuoso, and two hunnert bucks for my Major.
Set aside, for the moment, that I'm somewhat emotionally attached to the picture of twin Majors in my kitchen (and the psychiatry that it's going to take to rectify that...), am I an idiot for not taking it, or is he an idiot for offering? He suggests that his SJ is just too slow. The timer on it is not staying open, as in, if you set the timer, it just swings back to zero, but that could be easily rectified with an aftermarket toggle switch. He already has the switch.
So far, I can't get past not having two Majors side-by-each, so I'm not ready to make a good decision.
Any thoughts?

miKe mcKoffee wrote:Whadya decide?

To fix his SJ for him with a switch from another HB'er. He now has a Major Auto switch on it instead of the timer. I'm still thinking that I want the Major, but your posts have given me pause.
OTOH, the Major is out of the question for touring. The SJ is one of the older vintage, and a bit smaller than the new one (which looks like someone bondoed over the gills on a Major!), so I may have to get it to oust the Rockys from the tour spot. I dunno, still thinkin'.