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Macap m5 and WDT?

Postby jonny2 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:46 am

Is it necessary to use the WDT techinque with a Macap M5 grinder?
I get a 3-4 few small lumps (5-10mm diameter) of coffee when grinding for a double shot, they are very soft and fall apart by even a light touch. Would they make any difference in extraction, they are compacted by tamping?
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Postby jonny2 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:42 am

and another question, what about grinding into vessel, weighing, stirring WDT-style and then transfer to portafilter basket after that.

What you miss from doing the stirring in the vessel, is the distribution part of WDT but the clumps are broken up? Like a WDT-light? or is it just stupid?
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Postby HB on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:54 am

The introduction to the article says it all:

Weiss Distribution Technique wrote:Many grinders inflict clumps, static, and uneven distribution upon the hapless home barista, keeping them from reaching their goal of extraordinary espresso. We can hope that these design flaws will eventually be addressed in home grinders. But until then, there is a simple, inexpensive solution to grinder problems: the Weiss Distribution Technique, or WDT.

In my experience, the Macap M5 (known as the M4 in the U.S.) doesn't need the WDT treatment, if the barista corrects distribution issues while dosing by thwack thwack thwacking the doser handle. Keep in mind that clumps are not the problem per se, it's unevenness of the distribution. So, for example, a grinder that slowly extrudes coffee in fits and spurts (e.g., Rancilio Rocky doserless) will benefit more from the WDT "correction" than a grinder that spits out a constant stream of tiny pebbles (e.g., the Mazzer Mini E).

If you employ the WDT, I recommend the method John describes, i.e., directly in the portafilter basket. To combine weighing and distribution correction, you can remove the basket retainer clip from the portafilter as demonstrated in the Stockfleths Move for Dummies.
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Postby dialydose on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:15 am

It's the Weiss Distribution Technique, not the Weiss Clump Breaking Technique. If you can dose into your portafilter evenly and then preserve that bed with a decent tamp, then you don't need the WDT. That is a lot easier said than done. It really is about creating an even distribution within the portafilter. This is why I would say that the concept of dosing into a vessel and then pouring into the portafilter doesn't make much of a difference (unless you are doing so for weighing purposes).

I use WDT on a regular basis. It only take about 20 seconds and can't hurt, especially when I am still in morning zombie mode.
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Postby cafeIKE on Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:33 pm

The M4 has a smaller hopper than the M5 which is smaller than the M5plus
All use the same 250W 58mm burrs 'grinder body'

It's important to clear the grinder chute and purge a second or two before grinding in earnest. If this is not done, then several grams of coffee are a'staling and form a significant portion of the dose. When single charging, grind a couple of grams to clear the stales if the grinder has sat for much longer than 15 minutes.

A gentle side to side shake that 'vibrates' the PF head is all that is required to distribute the coffee. Hold the PF loosely and shake the wrist as if palsied for a second or two. A light rap or two on the counter with a tamp [optional] and you're good to go.

In over 5 years of M4 use, the WDT has been useful with only a couple of coffees that refused to distribute with the shake
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Postby jonny2 on Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:06 am

cafeIKE wrote:A gentle side to side shake that 'vibrates' the PF head is all that is required to distribute the coffee. Hold the PF loosely and shake the wrist as if palsied for a second or two. A light rap or two on the counter with a tamp [optional] and you're good to go.


This is how I have tried to do it, but I always get a couple of big spots in the extraction where the flow is much faster and blonds 10 seconds before the rest.

Now im trying out WDT to distribute to see if it improves, from the first tries it looks like an improvement but not 100% abolished the early blonding spots yet.
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