LIDO E Handgrinder - Drag issues or not? - Page 2

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#11: Post by OldNuc »

The burr manufacturing tolerance is NOT ZERO. You are feeling the bottom of the center burr rub against the lowest edge of the outer burr, it is NOT rubbing on the burr teeth. The bearing is a different issue and indicates you have the upper and lower shaft bearings out of axial alignment.

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#12: Post by Bob_McBob »

Are you using the grinder with the rings locked like that? The upper ring should be locked against the lower ring.
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#13: Post by bostonbuzz »

How many notches finer or coarser is "drag" from where you pull a good espresso?
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#14: Post by trombahonker »

You bought a new product that arrived with reduced, defective function. Exchange.

If I went over to my hardware store and bought a new toolbox that cost $200, then got home and was having trouble with the drawer grinding and being really tight when pulling it out, maybe I'd take a few minutes to see if I could see an obvious problem. But if it just seemed broken, I wouldn't go about trying to fix it. Sure, I can still put things in the drawer, and it will probably even a hold its stated capacity. I'd return it to the store and get one that works correctly from the beginning. There's no reason these little coffee grinders should be any different. Companies need to be held accountable for products that are not at an acceptable level so that they can address the quality control issues.

It'll cost you under 10 bucks to send it back to them and they shouldn't charge you anything for the replacement and its shipping. A good company would pay for shipping both ways since they gave you a defer.

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#15: Post by TomC »

trombahonker wrote:You bought a new product that arrived with reduced, defective function. Exchange....

Without definitively knowing what is or isn't wrong with the grinder, I'd say it's a bit early to be casting judgements on something being "defective" and the unasked question to the OP should be: have you contacted Orphan Espresso?
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#16: Post by dazzle (original poster) »

OldNuc wrote:The burr manufacturing tolerance is NOT ZERO. You are feeling the bottom of the center burr rub against the lowest edge of the outer burr, it is NOT rubbing on the burr teeth. The bearing is a different issue and indicates you have the upper and lower shaft bearings out of axial alignment.
I'm aware of that - that's why I started the thread. I got the same product twice, behaving completly different - that's why I'm asking of this is a defect or within the tolerance.
Thanks for the info, so I cant damage the burr by grinding?
Bob_McBob wrote:Are you using the grinder with the rings locked like that? The upper ring should be locked against the lower ring.
ofc not, just a snapshot.
TomC wrote:Without definitively knowing what is or isn't wrong with the grinder, I'd say it's a bit early to be casting judgements on something being "defective" and the unasked question to the OP should be: have you contacted Orphan Espresso?
I mailed to OE on 12 Jan and a 2nd time on 18 Jan. I did not receive an answear, that's why I started the thread. I mailed a 3rd time with starting the thread and finally Barb responded - telling me it has to be aligned and there is no perfect circle, so little drag on some point might be normal.


I tried to realign, I think it is just as It was before - but if its within the tolerance, I'm fine with it.

bostonbuzz wrote:How many notches finer or coarser is "drag" from where you pull a good espresso?
Actually I did not try that many fine grindings, because I didnt know if I would screw the burr cause of the dragging. I wanted to catch up some informations first.
Here's a picture of the first setting I got no drag at all.


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#17: Post by trombahonker »

dazzle wrote: Here's a picture of the first setting I got no drag at all.
hey look, espresso!

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#18: Post by OldNuc »

dazzle wrote:... Thanks for the info, so I cant damage the burr by grinding? ...
No, not going to damage the burr from that rub.

The process of aligning these Lido grinders is not a simple 5 minute task. It requires lots of patience and an understanding that the inner burr is semi-floating and the outer burr is in a burr carrier that is also semi-floating. Just pulling the inner into solid contact with the outer will in no way get your grinder into ideal alignment. The first thing to pick up on is the grinder must be maintained in a vertical upright position while performing the actual alignment or it fails.

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#19: Post by jwCrema »

There was some reaction as to what zero means. I think that is settled now - the marks do not matter, and when we say +4 it's from relative zero.

I have read and re-read the thread and I am not clear about what 'drag' means or what state the grinder is in when drag is observed. When my Lido E has no beans in it, and it's set for espresso @ +4, the handle will spin freely with no effort. When it's then loaded with beans I feel resistance associated with the crushing of beans. The amount of effort is more than the empty grinder and normal.

When I look at your grind pictures, the espresso particle sizes appear to be uniform. I don't see chunks and fines, just fluffy stuff.

So I'm left with the conclusion that you're thinking the grinder takes more physical effort than you expect it should. Unless the handle doesn't spin freely when empty, things look good to me.

Although this slightly off topic, I am amazed at this grinder. I didn't season it with stale coffee beans first, the burrs are small, and the grind rpm is really slow compared to my SJ. It took me a fraction of the time to dial in compared to my Pharos. And it's ridiculously easy to dispense and keep clean. It's blown up everything that seems to define grinder voodoo and produces a superb product. I need to do some blind shot comparisons, but my current perception is that this is my favorite grinder of all time.

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#20: Post by dominico »

jwCrema wrote: Although this slightly off topic, I am amazed at this grinder. I didn't season it with stale coffee beans first, the burrs are small, and the grind rpm is really slow compared to my SJ. It took me a fraction of the time to dial in compared to my Pharos. And it's ridiculously easy to dispense and keep clean. It's blown up everything that seems to define grinder voodoo and produces a superb product. I need to do some blind shot comparisons, but my current perception is that this is my favorite grinder of all time.
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The flavor clarity I get out of this thing is so fantastic that when I first got I was afraid there might be something wrong with my Pharos with how close the flavor profiles were, then I realized these Swiss burrs are just that good (a bit of a hit to my Italian pride), and the grind retention is so low I now only RDT on darker roasts.
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