The lesser known Italian espresso grinder manufacturers

Grinders are one of the keys to exceptional espresso. Discuss them here.
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Postby redbone » Mar 07, 2017, 10:12 am

Anyone heard of or try any of these lesser known or little spoken of Italian espresso grinders.

Casadio: http://www.casadio.com/eng/macinadosatori.asp

San Marco: http://www.lasanmarco.it/pages/en/products/coffee-grinders/series-sm-instant.php?lang=IT

OBEL: http://www.obel.it/en/prodotti

Another of similar name but appears to be a different company from FIORENZATO M.C. S.r.l. http://www.fiorenzato.it/en/azienda/tradizione/

*edit* Versus Fiorenzato C.S. a.k.a. Fiorenzato Doge http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/en/coffee_grinders.php?cat=2
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Postby DeGaulle » Mar 07, 2017, 12:07 pm

La SAN Marco grinders frequently pop up for sale second-hand in the Netherlands. They seem to be popular with people starting out on home espresso. These are usually dosered grinders that were previously used in cafés. Solid big workhorses AFAIK.
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Postby dominico » Mar 08, 2017, 12:17 am

redbone wrote:Another of similar name but appears to be a different company from FIORENZATO M.C. S.r.l. http://www.fiorenzato.it/en/azienda/tradizione/
Called Fiorenzatocs: http://www.fiorenzatocs.com/en/coffee_grinders.php?cat=2


They are a distributor, they sell Fiorenzato and Doge machines and grinders. So same products, one extra middle man.
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Postby Alan Frew » Mar 08, 2017, 2:06 am

Casadio is the Faema/Cimbali "second brand", and the group grinder manufacturer and rebadger. Obel Bregant grinders are almost all rebadged by other espresso machine suppliers.

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Postby redbone » Mar 08, 2017, 7:10 am

Thanks guys. This is great insight.
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Postby coffee-nerd » Mar 08, 2017, 7:31 am

Is the Obel Bregant a good grinder? Could have one for 200 Dollars.

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Postby bostonbuzz » Mar 08, 2017, 7:59 am

That's "Fiorenzato" C.S., not "Fiorenzatocs." :wink:

There are quite a few posts about the doge conico (their robur version) around this site, san maros as well.
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Postby russel » Mar 08, 2017, 10:55 am

coffee-nerd wrote:Is the Obel Bregant a good grinder? Could have one for 200 Dollars.


My experience with Obel grinders this that they're the bottom of the light commercial options. I've has a La Pavoni Zip and the really angular one that I think is actual Obel branded. They are OK. The older ones what show up cheep are stepped pretty wide and the dose is plastic-y. Some variations, like the ZIP, have cylindrical exit chutes, which I guess might make sweeping the chute easier and cleaner? At $100-$200 used they are better for espresso than a Baratza Encore for the same price, but there are lots of other light commercial grinders that are much better.

-OK, that sounds a little harsh and probably undersells their potential...if you can adjust your technique to compensate for the wide steps by letting your dose float within your basket/machine's functional dose range you can get good espresso with one of these. Obviously a darker roast will be more forgiving. I find such grinders take well to the over dosed tight ristretto.
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Postby emagguy » Mar 08, 2017, 11:10 am

are wega grinders like compak rebadged?

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Postby russel » Mar 08, 2017, 1:22 pm

Yes, some Wega grinders are rebadged Compaks, maybe most...
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