I've been wanting to post some "bench" photos of the ultimate lever machine companion grinder- an old German hand grinder. These conical burr grinders are so simple and elegant, and they compliment the process of hand-brewing espresso. The mechanics are so straightforward that the photos speak for themselves. So here are a few pics - please feel free to ask questions.

An unusually shaped knee mill:



Ready for action:



Nice enamel-lined bowl for constant bean flow:



Exploded parts view EDIT BOBCRAIG NOTICED THAT I PLACED THE OUTER BURR IN THE WRONG DIRECTION IN THE NEXT TWO PHOTOS! PLEASE DON'T TRY TO ASSEMBLE YOURS THIS WAY!:



Conical burrs, one ball bearing, adjustment screw:



The crux of the biscut - forged inner burr:



A timeless tradition:



PC

Nice Jack- I have never taken one apart. That is a really technical Ball bearing set up! I love K.I.S.S.

Thanks Greg. What I would like is to post comments here from HB'ers who have used both a good hand grinder and a good electric grinder. I have been recommending hand grinders for a while, but I have never used a good electric grinder, so I don't have a direct comparison. Would you mind posting a short comparison of your grinders?

PC

I would be happy to ....... I have to admit I am a little intimidated by the TITAN Grinder Project. I don't have scanning electron micro scopes, etc.

I have a Nouva Simonelli MCF, a Mazzer super Jolly and a Lehnartz hand mill and an old brass Turkish Doganay hand mill........ And a newly dropped digital camera- Thanks to a spousal miss-hap..... slippery fingers ;>( fix or replace ahh.... that is the question).

What did you have in mind for the "Tight-Hand" Grinder Project...... ?

Because start-up costs for a "tight-hand" are relatively low, I don't think we'll need to get very scientific about the project - no SEM or blind taste tests, although I think the latter are very important for analyses of important questions. It might not be bad to just grind a little of the same beans in each and have a look to see if the particle sizes are comparable. Then just your opinion of how the fineness, consistency, clumping, etc. compare. Plus any general comments you might have.

This info. might be useful to people who'd like to brew espresso, but may need to decide between a moka pot and $200-300 grinder or a decent espresso machine and a $30 grinder.
Thanks,

PC

I recently acquired another hand grinder myself:

I picked up that one on Craig's List locally.


Interestingly enough, the burrset is similar. The difference is that the shaft is held in place by the casting side plates of the grinder body.

The burrs are not very precise and the adjustment at the fine end of the range is disrupted by play in the shaft, so it is not suitable for espresso, but in a pinch it is certainly good enough for most other brewing methods.

Full story about this grinder on my website here:
http://home.surewest.net/frcn/Coffee/Coffee86.html

Great photos of the grinder! Is that a PeDe? Unusual shape, but kinda cool.

Perhaps I'll put some pix together of my ancient Trosser that continues to be my #1 grinder. I recently sold 7 hand-grinders through friends and Craigslist. Took a loss on most of them but not a big deal.

Now I'm down to 3 German grinders and 2 Asian ones.

Here are a few things to look for in a hand grinder, in my opinion:

1. Stepless grind adjustment - absolute must - avoid the kinds with a four-notched wheel adjustment on the axle - the notches are steps, and it will be more difficult to set the correct grind. Some have adjusters inside the drawer, some on the back, some on the axel on top (the newer Zasses).
2. Ask the seller if the burrs appear sharp and rust-free - better yet, ask them to grind a few beans at the finest setting to see if they look even and fine enough for "turkish" coffee
3. Ask if the edges on the burrs look cast or machined -the machined burrs have sharp edges like the ones in the photos above. Some of the old German grinders say "forged" or "stahlmahlwerk".

Purchase of a used hand grinder can't be risk-free unless the seller has used it for espresso. Even then, they may not measure up to a Titan:

http://www.home-barista.com/forum...project-t4126.html

I've asked Jim S. to compare an old hand grinder to the Titans just to see how it fares, and I'll ask him to post his impressions here soon.

Don't miss Jim's excellent writeup of a test of an old hand grinder against the Robur Titan:

http://www.home-barista.com/forum...4499-20.html#50247

PC

Oh, darn, only comparable to a Mini Mazzer.... for a price equal to that of a replacement Mazzer bean hopper..... not bad All in all in the lower tier of those tested but in good company and a lot quieter than the LUX

It is a relief to know that these hand grinders are at least capable of making decent espresso - I've never had access to a good electric grinder with which to make a comparison. I'll admit to a certain envy of having a professional setup someday, but with my current lifestyle and budget, along with a certain flair for "slow food" I'll settle for a PeDe.



PC

Jack,
Okay, I give up. Where in the 'canon' did you find "hands down.."?
Bill

Com' on Bill- I am a Southern boy living in Oregon and you in the South.. you have never heard any body declared the "Winner , hands down"?

Okay, I give up. Where in the 'canon' did you find "hands down.."?

Actually, when they changed the signature requirements I couldn't fit the coffee pot quote anymore, so I had to come up with my own. I admit that it falls a little short...

I've taken the summer off of the Canon, after getting the two-volume set of Baring-Gould's annotated Sherlock Holmes at a used book store last winter, and reading them cover-to-cover a couple of times.

PC

Another lovely hand grinder, the DeVe from Holland. Gleaming copper top:



PC

peacecup wrote:

Okay, I give up. Where in the 'canon' did you find "hands down.."?

Actually, when they changed the signature requirements I couldn't fit the coffee pot quote anymore, so I had to come up with my own. I admit that it falls a little short...

I've taken the summer off of the Canon, after getting the two-volume set of Baring-Gould's annotated Sherlock Holmes at a used book store last winter, and reading them cover-to-cover a couple of times.

PC

Ok- Now I see that I was the odd man out- I don't keep up with you Holmes readers

Another nice grinder Jack- she is a bute!

Anyone here who could give me some info on these Zassenhaus grinders. I would need one to go with the La Pavoni Europiccola I'm about to purchase.

The Sun-stag saw I, from the South faring--
    he tethered the two together;
with his feet standing steadfast on earth,
    his horns touching very heaven.



PC

Stuggi wrote:

Anyone here who could give me some info on these Zassenhaus grinders. I would need one to go with the La Pavoni Europiccola I'm about to purchase.

There are a number of HB's that list Zassenhauses in their equipment lists - if you search for them, you can send them a private message, or start a new thread on Zasses and ask them to reply. In general, hand grinders can be a good value for espresso making on a budget, and I like operating them. Jim S compared a hand grinder to a commercial burr grinder recently:

Titan Grinder Project: Can it Beat the Mazzer Robur?

Let us know how your search turns out,

PC

I accually found a semi-broken mouldy conical burr-grinder at a fleamarket yesterday. It's stepless, and the grinder works fine. The box for the grounds is missing, aswell as the bottom that keeps the drawer in place. I'll deassemble it this week or next, depending on when I get time (working 8 am - 4 pm this week, trying to hook up with a cute girl, friends turning 18 here and there (legal drinking age in finland), trowing a huge party at my familys summerhouse this weekend and starting school again next week doesn't give me much spare time )

I think I'll remove the grinder and fashion a new wooden box for it (more like a funnel so I can dose directly into my PF). I'll maybe even put a motor on it (I have a 250 Watt electric motor that I don't have any use for, so it the cranking gets rough...)

EDIT: Turns out I had a bit spare time. I've cleaned the grinder with the strongest cleaners I had (that I dared use that is), and it's still pretty mushy inside, but not near as ugly as when I got it. At the moment I'm cleaning the brass hopper in a bath of sour yougurt, which should make it real shiny!