I think you find stuff like that. I have one similar, don't remember the model, but it seems old and unused.

At the same time there are a lot of restored grinders available, that seems like new.

Márcio.

Doug, thanks for the explanation!
I agree and listen gratefully to what you say yet the one thing we somehow cannot get sorted out, and I have no clue why, yet maybe picture will speak the thousand words...


When I'm referring to 'mokka' label I am talking about the marking you spoke here (quote below paragraph), talking bout KyM=KyM and KyM Mocca... but there is not any KyM Mocca, it is always KyM Mokka!!! No Mocca, Mokka!!! So KyM Mokka as pictured on the right is the colorful diamond logo we are talking.
Now, I haven't (yet) seen the logo with camel.
Yet the grinder on the left is a Mocca brand grinder. As far as I understood your post correctly, you're saying that it was a line of grinders made by KyM, too? Then the burrs are different! Or we got misunderstanding and you meant Mokka not Mocca...

orphanespresso wrote:The "Mocca" brand was one line of grinders that KyM made. There was the Diamond shaped KyM logo that had the 2 little guys on the camel. That was their original label for the Mocca designation. Then, when KyM went to the colorful label, some of them were "KyM=KyM", some said "KyM Mocca", some, without mentioning Mocca on the badge, had "Mocca" on the bottom in ink. Sometimes there is a whole big paragraph of stuff, in ink, on the bottom.

CoffeeOwl,

The Mocca grinder that you found the link to WAS a KYM. M O C C A not mokka. Look closely and you'll see the KYM above the Mocca. The older camel labels carried the Mocca label. They were of higher quality too, in my opinion. But they pale in comparison the Dienes Mokkas.

My Spring Lever Video thread of long ago features the first live footage of a KYM Mocca Camel in action:

Spring lever video

Jack,
ok,
but why was it a KyM?
and where to look closely? the mill is on my desk, sitting joyfully...
The photo I took just today,
the link to me posting about buying it is here...
LOL!

p.s.
ok!!! I looked again at the link I myself found to your similar to mine, big KyM and yes it has Mocca label... now I get your idea! but the seller then had another mill like the mine Mocca and it wasn't saying KyM anywhere on it, just like the case with mine, and then I think there was one more too. And notice the completely different grind setting - a screw on top around the handle (on the pics under the link I put).
And I was almost thinking you folks are reading carelessly...

Btw,
with regard to:

peacecup wrote:Not all KYMs grind for espresso, to be sure. I've had around 5, and only one has been good for espresso. One has been marginal, and 2-3 others have been totally unacceptable, making lots of fines and large chunks all at once.

and comment from Marcio,
looks like I must have been really lucky? if you and Marcio had run into unacceptable KyM's, that means - with worn burrs, probably, or wobble? otherwise should grind evenly like a breeze!

I got two identical KyMs, one from Orphan, other from a collector, and the one from Orphan was great, the other not so great. So I think the burrs were worn.

Márcio.

Your Mocca grinder is just a Mocca. Its separate from KYM Mocca, later Mokka.

Just keep your eyes open for a Dienes 88.

PC

Yes! It's just Mocca and it is coffee bean with a sail I told you I found a match for Caravel!!

peacecup wrote:Just keep your eyes open for a Dienes 88.

Yes I do! Thx!

(and did I write about not shopping anymore... )

Eh, so the 88 beauty got away from me, ... some other time then!

Just scored a lovely red-top Dienes for 9,99 Euro. Would be willing to have it sent to someone in lodz if they paid the 9,99 plus shipping. I did not ask the seller about grind quality, so it is a gamble. PM me for details.

PC

PM sent