Nice PeDe, very clean. Yes, post and ball bearing lower burr bearing and good solid top bearing in that chrome strap. One caution, if you ever become tempted to remove the top strap on that design (to paint the funnel liner or clean under it....old coffee can accumulate under the liner) notice the two screws per side that hold the top strap in place. These are classic hammer screws which are not turned but pounded into place (the heads appear flattened and the slots are constricted so it is hard to fit a driver bit). When you see a screw head that is flattened with small slot they were hammered in,,,some of the little screws that hold the chrome domes on are pounded in, particularly on Leinbroek's and some Lehnartz tops.
Anyway, if you remove those screws you may find it hard to get the top strap firmly held upon installation, so rpceed with caution on your jewel!

Thanks Paul!
It has not yet arrived, but it is bigger then my other mills because the shipping was more then for them.
As for the find, , in real sense another member here did make a find of that exact model at another ebay. So if anyone wants it - it may be very well findable!

I like the wooden-top models, both the Dienes and the KYM. I had one of the KYM's but sold it to another HB member a while ago. It was a bit older than the one above, as evidenced by a small metal ring as the drawer-pull, rather than the wooden knob. I think there are photos of it back some pages.

The carved Dienes knee mills are among the most attractive, especially those with the flat-cut drawer fronts (where you can see the wood grain). Coupled with the wood tops they're stunning. I'll be interested to see how it grinds. What is the inner drawer made of?

The later knee mills have a metal dome top and either bakelite or plastic drawers. The later were a disaster because the plastic is soft and always becomes deformed and useless.

My daily grind for my MiniGaggia has now become a rather beaten-up Dienes 638 knee-mill complete with useless plastic draw, pitted chrome, and a bad re-gluing job (by me). I need to get around to posting a photo. But it grinds like a champ. For my AM cappa just now I had to back off the grind about 1/8 turn from yesterday, because all the pours were just a little slow. I hit it spot-on this AM however, and had one of the loveliest cappa's of late, all cocoa-y and rich with those multiple-spring-lever-layers-of-love we've been discussing over on the lever forum lately.

Its difficult to imagine anything more satisfying than such a world-class cup-o'-joe on 100 Euros worth of cast-off coffee equipment that dates from around the time the NY Mets won their first World Series.

PEACE
PC

orphanespresso wrote:Nice PeDe, very clean. Yes, post and ball bearing lower burr bearing and good solid top bearing in that chrome strap. One caution, if you ever become tempted to remove the top strap on that design (to paint the funnel liner or clean under it....old coffee can accumulate under the liner) notice the two screws per side that hold the top strap in place. These are classic hammer screws which are not turned but pounded into place (the heads appear flattened and the slots are constricted so it is hard to fit a driver bit). When you see a screw head that is flattened with small slot they were hammered in,,,some of the little screws that hold the chrome domes on are pounded in, particularly on Leinbroek's and some Lehnartz tops.
Anyway, if you remove those screws you may find it hard to get the top strap firmly held upon installation, so rpceed with caution on your jewel!

Great advice, thanks!!
I was wondering about those screws. There's a bit of play perpendicular to the strap mounting points, but it's slight. I considered tightening them, but thought better of it. The chrome and the hopper enamel are about flawless.

peacecup wrote:I'll be interested to see how it grinds. What is the inner drawer made of?

The later knee mills have a metal dome top and either bakelite or plastic drawers. The later were a disaster because the plastic is soft and always becomes deformed and useless.

It has a clear yellow plastic drawer with an odd, hourglass profile. In any case, it fits very nicely.

How wonderful!
My KyMs arrived today in the morning.
Turned out the first one I bought is the smallest one, the second is a bit bigger - 1cm wider and longer, same height. And the lastly bought - wow! - that's a big mill! It even has feet! (they all have the same height)

I love it how they just simply put rock!

I'm soo happy! And the experience I got is priceless! Seeing one KyM Mokka is, by no means, what is seeing three! Probably I should also try a KyM not labelled Mokka, a KyM KyM so that I could tell the difference. I'm wondering if it would grind for espresso or not, would there be a difference in the design etc. Anyhow, I can say, I'm a KyM lover, fun, enjoyer, maniac, lover... auch! that one already was...

I also did buy the catalogue I posted page ago; actually the models I have do not appear on the prints and there's not much information about the mills, just pics&prices.

Whoever stands behind the KyM brand and manufactoring & design, be blessed!!! You did whole lotta good work!

doubleOsoul wrote:Oooh....ahhh... most sexy!

All my KyM family is sexy!!
Pictures will come I promise!

peacecup wrote:I had one of the KYM's but sold it to another HB member a while ago. It was a bit older than the one above, as evidenced by a small metal ring as the drawer-pull, rather than the wooden knob. I think there are photos of it back some pages.

Heh Jack I did the job for you: the link.
It had interesting label, is it so that the Mocca brand is, or rather was, connected to KyM?

The "Mocca" brand was one line of grinders that KyM made. There was the Diamond shaped KyM logo that had the 2 little guys on the camel. That was their original label for the Mocca designation. Then, when KyM went to the colorful label, some of them were "KyM=KyM", some said "KyM Mocca", some, without mentioning Mocca on the badge, had "Mocca" on the bottom in ink. Sometimes there is a whole big paragraph of stuff, in ink, on the bottom.

From our observation, "Mocca", or "Mokka" was a word used to associate the imagination with Mocca style coffee, or mocha... In a way, today, you have a lot of products that are designated "Eco" - same product as before, but now "Eco" because it is popular now, or "Nano", or "Techno" - marketing terms to bring more attention to the product.

We have restored well over 100 KyM mills, and no matter what badge, branding, or look, the bearing is the same, the mechanism is the same, the construction of the grinding parts are identical, no matter WHAT they called it!

With PeDe it was the same - Mokka, or Mocca, was just another bit of "Packaging" or Marketing for selling the grinder.

Wow there has been some nice finds recently!
I rebuilt a strap/w/collar type PeDe for a friend where the upper screw nails had slightly loosened. Doug, any thoughts on why they used screw nails? Might they not have had hard enough small screws? I found some quality screws that fit and were a tad longer, filled the holes and carefully re-tapped being sure to keep everything square. The heads were a bit larger and was able to simply file the body to accept them.
I also had the yellow plastic drawer where the nubs that fit into the front wood panel no longer kept slotted in and the sides had warped inward. I was able to carefully heat it up an area at a time to just the point where it was pliable and reshape acceptably.

Its great to see other people's grinders, I only bought and restored my first one recently, a Leinbrocks Ideal I believe (pictured below). I think I might be getting hooked, there's just something very appealing about them.

When it arrived I found the seller had been very liberal with the photo angles and lighting in the auction. All the metal was rusted including the burr and the wood finish worn off in places. I guess someone had tried to wash it at some point. I was surprised to find it grinds pretty well now its cleaned up achieving a consistent powder grind size.



I was wondering if anyone had any info on Kym's a local seller has a 9481 model they claim is from the 30's but seems completely unused (picture below) anyone know if people are making repro's of these or if I might just be lucky.



Thanks