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Compak K10 doser sweep modification?

Postby Bob_McBob on Wed May 04, 2011 7:33 pm

Today I decided to add the electrical tape sweeping mod to my K10 WBC. After checking out Teme's blog post, I unscrewed the dose adjuster and removed all the parts in the upper section. At this point, I noticed the ratcheting mechanism was no longer working, but assumed the upper parts had to be assembled for it to operate.

One thing was particularly interested in doing was removing the part indicated in this photo, which Teme says he removed:

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I reassembled the doser with this part removed, and discovered the ratcheting mechanism was still not working. At this point I assumed I'd broken something and decided to disassemble the lower portion of the doser to check. I removed the plastic cover and spring, and had a good look, but the ratcheting mechanism is not visible properly without further disassembly, so I am unclear about what it catches on.

I reassembled the bottom mechanism, slotting the return spring into the plastic cover and doser arm hole:

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I then completely reassembled the upper mechanism as it was originally, with the part I removed replaced, and the return spring ratchet works fine now. With the cover part removed it doesn't work. I assume there is some friction required that is no longer present without this part, but I still have no idea how the ratchet actually operates. How was Teme able to remove the cover and have the doser work properly?
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Postby compliance on Wed May 04, 2011 7:53 pm

I have removed that part on my K10 as well. I don't recall having any issues with the ratcheting when I did it. It's working fine like this for me. I can help investigate once I get home.
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Postby Bob_McBob on Thu May 05, 2011 3:50 am

I'm having a hard time figuring out how the ratchet mechanism works and where the pawl is located. I don't have a screwdriver short enough to remove the bottom screw without opening the grinder and removing the portafilter fork.

As far as I can tell, the only thing stopping the dosing vanes from returning with the doser arm is the friction from the cover piece. With it installed, I can see it moving from side to side slightly as I dose, and with it gone the ratchet gear moves around with the vanes. The only way it works is with the cover in place, or if I put pressure on the dosing mechanism from above to stop it from swinging back round with the arm.

Any ideas?
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Postby JohnB. on Thu May 05, 2011 11:03 am

I just pulled the plate out of mine & that's pretty much what I saw. Without the plate the sweepers move back with the handle & the ratchet doesn't engage. Why do you want to remove the plate? With the cap nut tightened down the upper sweeper clears the plate of all grounds.
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Postby Bob_McBob on Thu May 05, 2011 2:46 pm

On my grinder, the top of the cover piece is not swept cleanly and is difficult to brush. Also, I dislike being unable to see how much coffee is about to be dispensed when I am topping up a dose.
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Postby JohnB. on Thu May 05, 2011 3:09 pm

Sounds like the nylon washer was on top of the plate? With it under the plate the sweeper cleans everything off. I single dose by weight so everything in the doser is going in the basket.
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Postby shadowfax on Thu May 05, 2011 3:20 pm

Are you stacking the clear(ish) plastic gasket above the cover plate you're wanting to remove? IIRC, this is how the grinder comes. Try putting it the opposite way, with the gasket below the cover plate. That should sweep very clean.

FWIW my experience is the same with respect to removing that cover plate: the doser star pops back about 90% percent of the time when trying to progress it with the lever. I like how it works with the above modification better than it would with the plate removed (assuming that it didn't pop back), so I haven't put any further work into preventing the pop-back. I'd be curious if you succeed in solving the problem, but I'm really happy with how my doser works right now.
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Postby compliance on Fri May 06, 2011 3:18 am

I took the top nut off my grinder tonight, but not the c-clip(lazy). Sometimes the vanes will follow the lever back a cm or two, but for the most part the ratcheting works fine on mine with the plate removed. I have to push the vanes back to thwart the mechanism. Maybe some lubrication on the drag area would keep the pin from spinning backwards with the lever. Note I have not lubricated mine. Removing the plate is not really a big deal, but it's convenient for sweeping out the chute area.
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Postby Peppersass on Sun May 08, 2011 9:50 pm

This one puzzles me. I did the tape mod and removed the top plate, and I've never had any problem with the vanes going in reverse (i.e., following the handle back after I release it.)

I should point out, though, that I have the adjustment nut screwed down to the next-to-tightest position. Maybe that provides the requisite friction. I single-dose, so I don't care about the amount dispensed with each stroke. I figured having the adjustment nut as tight as possible would aid in sweeping the doser clean.

The only problem I had was when I refreshed the tape several months later. After reassembly, the handle would frequently fail to catch the ratchet on the forward stroke. But that was solved by taking the doser apart again and retightening everything.

The comment about the short screwdriver leads me to make a small suggestion: remove the doser from the grinder instead of trying to disassemble it in place. It's easy to do and makes it much easier to disassemble/reassemble all the parts.

To remove the doser, unscrew the two torx screws in the black plastic chute, and remove the chute (I'm assuming you've already removed the finger guard.) You can then lift the clear plastic cylinder off the doser base. Next, remove the two large torx screws beneath the doser. Then simply lift the doser base up to remove it from the body of the grinder.

With the doser base in your hand, it's a lot easier to see how all the parts fit together.
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